[FRIAM] What is Wealth for?

Mon Mar 15 14:08:36 EDT 2021

Marcus. what a load. Let me tell you something.  I am bairly scraping by.
it's only because of luck I am not on the streets or someones home. people
that are retired and working, arguably, that's theft. people that still
have to pay off a morgage, or rent or what ever else to actually F'n live.
Do have to have money. just the reality of things.  Liking other stuff?
yeah that's great.  But until such time as we get our collective heads of
our asses and admit that burn and churn boomer level stuff of making your
work your life, when now: anyone under 80 or 60 actually enjoy or want to
make work their life? me either. I for one need work, so as that I for one
can actually live and afford things. Its great people on this list take
forgranted how god awful it is to choose between a full tank of gas and
healthy eating or going out with a cute babe. I have to make that choice.
It fucking sucks, it reely does. I have been hit with age-ism.  Sexism,
yeah, turns out a lot of places won't hire men, because they think cute
girls  being the face of a company meens more horny ass teens or what ever
their marketing dweebs have gaslighted them into thinking. That meens they
will get more people to squander money on stuff.
Sorry/not sorry. Just about every place, every article ever. says that the
true cost of living most places in the use has vastly outpaced what anyone
makes.
SantaFe anyone actually live here long? nope. Why: the cost of fucking
living! People pile ontop of eachother, heart rending stories of people
having to work 3 and 4 fucking jobs even at above slave-wage levels at
underemployment. Cost of living is the corossive beating vile toxic slime
at the top 10 problems.
Great that people are independently wealthy, can afford 99 cars, turn
around and whine about how they don't autodrive, or what ever. I think that
is fantastic! for the rest of us: I have aghettotastic jellopy. It's white
anyone here seen me at wedteck? see that old ass car. yeah I have to keep
it working for a while despite it's mechanicle quirks.
Greed and Malice is another side to wealth. Anyone think it's especially
great we worship the wanker dweebs called CEO's wo are making 200%
proffifts while an estimated 70% of americans up to 2019  were
underemployed? me either.
All that is also directly tied to cost of living. I am seriusly looking to
move because my 36 month long plan: get a job, get health. and with any
luck meet someone very very amazing. I want her to never wory about
anything I'd  be a stay at home father. At least that's ideal dream! lol.
Either way when that warm kind amazing special person wants to be in my
life. what do you think will be in the top 10 or even 15 things to come up
a lot: how do afford X, who do we talk to about y how do invest in
AwesomeCompany to have a bad ass investment portfolio?
All that, to deel with the pure stupidity of cost of living. Well that and
it's just a good idea to have solid investments.
Part of the costs of living is hitting americans for no good reason now to.
Inusrance. why do not have a NHS like, um bassicly every other country? I
don't know. but. after you get laid off because of a virus. No insurance
and that's a stupidly high cost. that adds to the costs of living.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:50 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> I don’t find the cost of living argument so convincing.   If one can
> accumulate wealth and retire or work remotely, it is possible to get the
> benefits of a low cost of living while still having a high income.
> However, what’s unsaid, is that people do value other things, like being in
> the vicinity of their friends and family.    Also in the U.S., especially,
> what we value is a political football.   If half a million people die of
> COVID-19, that can be defined away in the name of jobs.   Or the economy
> can be equated with the markets, etc.   How much terror and suffering is
> enough to make one doubt ones definition of wealth?
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert J.
> Cordingley
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:44 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>; Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> If you are taking a poll...
>
> For starters on what wealth might mean economically, it might be useful to
> understand the cost of living and purchasing power by country
> <https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php>.  Is 'wealthy' some
> factor based on a ratio of income over cost of living?
>
> I don't know how you would measure cultural wealth and how colonialism
> played a part in its accumulation via subjugation. There must be other
> categories of wealth; spiritual wealth, artistic wealth, land ownership,
> public wealth, private wealth, etc.. How would native Americans and other
> indigenous population discuss the concept?
>
> At the excessive levels of the ultra-rich (Besos and co), wealth is for
> giving away for perhaps some altruistic purpose. Cynically, some might see
> this as a way for making amends for all the transgressions committed on the
> way?
>
> More commonly wealth is accumulated to help the next generation in one's
> family regardless of culture and purchasing power?
>
> Robert C.
>
> On 3/12/21 7:24 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
>
> Can we please start with how we define "wealth."  Please.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:31 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
> Tangenting off of the Great Man discussion, I would like to solicit a
> discussion on  "What is Wealth for".  I believe we have attended to this
> on the side many times (I remember a vFriam where it was declared that
> "Billionaires are Assholes, but Millionaires aren't (necessarily)"?
>
> Each of our Great (Wo)Men on the snark/not-snark list share one thing in
> common, Wealth.   I'd be interested to hear others riff a little more on
> their taxonomies of "what is Wealth for?"
>
> - Steve
>
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