[FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

[Russ Abbott]

Earlier, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ said: If we're stuck with capitalism, then I'm for UBI.
If we can get out from under capitalism, then I'm not.  Nick added: it is
the "triumph" of capitalism to reduce all relationships to money.

I wonder if this is not assuming that there is an alternative to what you
are calling *capitalism*. As uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ points out, co-ops can work on
relatively small scales, but if we are going to live in groups of larger
than ~150 people, how are you imagining that we will arrange interactions
without something like money? Even on small scales, how will a
collective without
money organize itself in anything other than a very static structure? And
on larger scales, what is the organizing principle other than power? It's
not clear to me how an alternative that uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ is supposing possible will
actually work.  uǝlƃ ↙↙↙, would you mind elaborating what you have in mind?

-- Russ Abbott

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:17 PM jon zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I think it is safe to say that "huge costs" are a sign of progress in
> the same sense that smoke is a sign of fire.
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