[FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

Thu May 6 16:23:52 EDT 2021

* is it true that the matter simply stands with the Hah-vud studies
retracted, and nothing more said?  That doesn’t seem right.*

I just don't know.

I speculated that the topic was just way too politicized to get to the
bottom of it without spending serious time and effort on it and I chose not
to do that.

On a personal note, we don't yet have vaccinations in South Africa, my wife
and I are each having daily doses of Quercetin, a natural over-the-counter
version of  Hydroxychloroquine, and vitamin D and Zinc and a couple of
other immune boosters too.

On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 21:46, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Pieter,
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> Interesting.  As somebody who has followed the research, is it true that
> the matter simply stands with the Hah-vud studies retracted, and nothing
> more said?  That doesn’t seem right.
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> Nick
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> Nick Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 1:12 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc
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> I'm not particularly fond of Donald Trump, but the elephant in the room is
> that  Hydroxychloroquine became well-known after Trump advocated it. At the
> time I followed and researched it a bit and I came to the conclusion that
> both the mainstream media and the medical industry were against
> Hydroxychloroquine mainly because Trump actively advocated it. The Lancet
> saga certainly did not influence me to change that conclusion.
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> On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 19:52, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> This does not seem interesting to me.  The vaccines have been demonstrated
> to be effective and safe to very large degrees based on many millions of
> inoculations.  Why should I care about some suspect studies with small n.
>
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> On Thu, May 6, 2021, 11:33 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear Phellow Phriammers,
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> I have noted that most of what I have written here of late has been
> ignored, and that’s ok, actually.  Usually, it is the possibility that you
> MIGHT read what I write that keeps me writing and, behaviorist to the last,
> writing is what I need to do in order to think.
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>
> But this situation is different.  I really don’t know what to think about
> Pavlovic’s <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragan-Pavlovic-4>
> paper.  There may have been some trouble with the cloud version, so I have
> attached it to this message.
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> So, this is a case where I really need some help.  I realize that you are
> all engaged in this excellent correspondence about UBI, which has revealed
> all sorts of “-ists” that I never thought were alive and well in the world,
> let alone in this group.  I would not interfere with that for a second.
> But, could a few of you take a look at his paper
> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV>  (very short,
> a commentary, actually).  I think he is actually a candidate for this
> group.  He is an MD, Phd, anaesthesiologist, retired in Paris, who has
> participated in hundreds of scientific papers,  who is passionate ( I
> worry, perhaps sometimes a bit too passionate) about dozens of different
> things and suspicious of everything. He wants, for instance, to dig a
> gigantic tunnel to bring large ships directly from the danube to the
> Mediterranean.
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> I, of course, live in a bubble, but I don’t like to have that fact thrust
> in my face as powerfully as when he reveals to me that the two HAAA=VUD
> papers denouncing Chloquoroquine were retracted a year ago, and I never
> found out.  I can’t get any sense of whether there has been any attempt to
> revive them or to redo the original clinical study that suggested HCQ’s
> efficacy against CoVid.
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> Any little bit of help you could give me would be great.
>
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>
> Nick
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>
> Nick Thompson
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* thompnickson2 at gmail.com <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:48 PM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Cc:* 'Prof David West' <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> *Subject:* Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc
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>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
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>
> I attach a paper
> <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV> written by an
> internet acquaintance I made some years back, Dragan Pavlovic.  I am
> sending it along for two reasons.  First, it reveals (to me, at least) that
> the two negative studies on Hydroxychloroquine use in SARS-CoVid-19
> treatment were based on unverified data and were withdrawn by their authors
> almost immediately.  (Have the rest of you known this for the last year and
> not told me?  I cannot believe, after we pilloried poor Dave for advocating
> for it, that he has not gloated about it. ) Second, Pavlovic raises the
> intension/extension distinction in the context of the interpretation of
> scientific results and also questions Randomized Control Trials as the
> "Gold Standard" for discovery. Thus, I think he is a kindred spirit, being
> a bit of a grumpy contrarian like many of us here.  I have promised to
> forward any comments you make to him, so be polite but speak truth.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Nick Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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