[FRIAM] Drones to detect wildfires

[Prof David West]

I must agree and disagree.

Yes, my statement was an oversimplification, but not a caricature. 

The caveat I should have included concerns the "distance" from where we are at the moment and the point at which the objective would be achieved.

I stand by my assertion that for objectives like the UN goals shared by Pieter and the less specific objectives in Steve's post, failure is assuredly more likely than success — based on the arguments presented in the book.

davew


On Thu, May 27, 2021, at 8:52 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> We have to be careful not to Jump the Shark. The book doesn't make the 
> argument you caricature, here. There's absolutely nothing wrong with 
> objectives and measurement, in general. What the book targets are 
> *rigid* objectives and tight *controls*. If you've been paying 
> attention to FriAM's recent threads, you'll see conversations about 
> side-effects ([cough] "epiphenomena") as compared to purposeful 
> objectives. You'll see long windy threads about the existence (and 
> definition of) free will, where the very concept of 
> intention/objectives/agency falls apart completely.
> 
> Nobody on this list has forgotten Stanley's point. The question is one 
> of degree, not kind. How draconian *should* an error-correction 
> controller be? How does one set [multi-]objectives so as to balance 
> exploration and exploitation of the artifacts produced along the way?
> 
> So, no. You're simply wrong on that point. Setting ambitious objectives 
> and *monitoring* progression closely does not assure failure. It's 
> *rigid* objectives and tight *control* that assures failure (or, more 
> accurately, fragility -- "failure" is the wrong word for what's meant 
> here).
> 
> On 5/26/21 7:32 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> > The book argues that /"setting high level ideals" /(objectives) and /"doing enough measurement and modeling to monitor how well we are doing" /pretty much assures failure.
> > 
> 
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