[FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

[Frank Wimberly]

An element of a (very short) cycle.  Note that there has to be a delay.

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 7:44 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frank,
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> In your lingo, what is an effect called that feeds back on its cause?
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> Nick Thompson
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2021 7:15 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation
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> Yes, for example.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
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> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 6:06 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
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> I guess you mean A(t=0)->B(t=1), B(t=1)->A(t=2), not B(t=1)->A(t=0)
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:46 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation
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> I did a number of experiments in the use of causal learning methods to
> infer genetic regulatory networks using actual and simulated data.  Those
> networks have loops of a variety of lengths.  References available upon
> request.
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> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:41 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
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> I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that repeated application of
> such a matrix could lead to oscillation.    It sounded like somehow
> causality was violated and not just obscured.
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> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation
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> Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix being large is that
> it has non-zero cross terms.
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> On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
> >The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix) whether or not they
> are intended to be?
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> >> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, ⛧ glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Any of the evolutionary operators across scales, from energy exchange
> at the finest to ecosystem reengineering at the coarsest.
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> >>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <
> marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
> >>> I’ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have no idea what these
> loops are or what you might be talking about.
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> glen ⛧
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