[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

Tue Oct 5 12:41:16 EDT 2021

>race conditions, deadlocks, etc.


My favorite when I took an OS course 50+ years ago was "deadly embrace"
which I'm sure is an obsolete problem.  It occurred when two processes were
waiting for each other.
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 9:57 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment, though
> I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false
> beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists."
>
> But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether consistency,
> itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is full of graded
> [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting from welding,
> baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level 3 drafting at
> lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the effete
> knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty on-the-ground
> engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together pieces that don't
> quite fit.
>
> In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of digital
> computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful tool.
> Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's softened a
> bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into multiple, yet
> still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As approach "the
> real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems, to my
> ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether that
> softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something denser, I
> don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form.
>
> Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a limit
> point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this nicely.
> If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum) and the
> "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears entirely), then
> a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The focus becomes one
> of which frame expresses the target domain "less inconsistently" ... aka
> with fewer exceptions to the rule.
>
> Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning.
>
> On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > I agree with some of that.   I mentioned the dependently typed
> programming language as one technology to know when I am being
> inconsistent.   It doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the
> inconsistency, but I might point the headlights in some other direction to
> avoid the inconsistency (breadth first search instead of depth first).
>  Inconsistency finding is a tool, and preferably a semi-automated one.
> >
> > I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry
> about shelter and food and health care.   I'm not talented enough to be
> among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that
> sort of thing.   I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I
> were.   I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant
> because everything is irrelevant.   I'd like to be a freak among billions
> of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks.   This is
> not the world we live in, though.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM
> > To: friam at redfish.com
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
> >
> > OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise
> of populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted
> to depth-first search.
> >
> > Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you
> know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely
> criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions
> that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know
> any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species
> while snapping selfies on my iPhone.
> >
> > But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we
> need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the
> information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants
> to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing
> to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps
> because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE
> somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud
> at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in
> some Physics department at some elitist institution.
> >
> > A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping <
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>.
> >
> > On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >> In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was
> uncrackable.   If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get
> hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance.    But it
> is a problem that will attract a certain kind of (autistic) academic
> attention as well.
> >
> >
>
> --
> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>
>
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