[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

Fri Oct 8 15:04:35 EDT 2021

This post actually has to do with newborn heart rate by race

Here is a link to the abstract.  I'm going to see if I have the full paper
in case anyone's interested

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22148609_Newborn_Heart_Rate_and_Blood_Pressure_Relation_to_Race_and_to_Socioeconomic_Class

Frank

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 9:18 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m with David on this one.  Distinguishing between “real” and random
> effects is what learning IS.  Of course, such judgements are never more
> than probably true.
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> Nick Thompson
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
> *Sent:* Friday, October 8, 2021 2:49 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
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> David Eric Smith wrote:
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> *"I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
> like to be one of them."*
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> But  . . . . every human being does exactly that, all the time, more or
> less effortlessly — certainly below the threshold of "conscious" awareness.
> Billions of variables, including certain cell receptors "detecting" and
> responding to quantum effects (like changes in spin induced by magnetic
> fields).
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> Some Asian philosophies (Jnana Yoga, Tibetan Tantra) and most of the
> Alchemical literature can be read as efforts to "decompile" this ability,
> make it conscious, and apply it in "ordinary reality."
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> davew
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> On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 9:28 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
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> Gilding the lily, since I don’t disagree with anything that has
> specifically been said.
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> I have felt like, somewhere between the deliberate distortion of Emerson
> that reads “consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”
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> (Fun ref see
> https://www.lawfareblog.com/foolish-consistency-hobgoblin-little-minds-metadata-stay
>  )
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> and what Scott Aaronson might call “the blankfaces of consistency”,
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> there should be a sort of Herb Simon Watchmaker’s consistency.  The
> ability to check a form for consistency — even if I am alert that the
> system within which I am checking might be subject to overruling or
> revision — allows me to get past one thing and go to the next.  To clip
> together a sub-component of the watch and set it on the shelf, while
> assembling other sub-components, or to take the sub-components and assemble
> them relative to each other without having to constantly actively maintain
> the innards of each.
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> To somebody with my innate limitations, that seems among the most valuable
> things in the world.
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> DaveW wrote this fabulous paean to never calling anything done, some
> months ago.  I can’t resurrect the text, and on my best living day could
> not compose its equal, but the gist was that sciences in which one arrives
> at conclusions are the pastimes of trivial minds.  Real Men do
> anthropology, where nothing is ever closed.  In a lovely rant on what a day
> in the life of a Real Man is like, a sentence contained a clause I am
> pretty sure I do have verbatim: “ . . . , juggling hundreds of variables, .
> . . “.
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> I cannot juggle hundreds of variables, and produce a result that would
> fail _any_ test for randomness.  I can conceive that maybe there are people
> smart enough to do that, but cannot imagine any-wise what it would feel
> like to be one of them.
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> It seems it must be possible in this sense to cling to consistency like a
> life-raft, yet not elevate it to aa religious icon.  After all, life rafts
> only keep you alive, and in the big sweep of things, that isn’t _all_ that
> important.
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> Eric
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> On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:56 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, I'm perfectly aligned with the freak among freaks sentiment, though
> I'd argue we *do* live in that world, we just deny it with our false
> beliefs. "The problem with communication is the illusion that it exists."
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> But the more important part of the argument surrounds whether consistency,
> itself, is a matter of degree or kind. The analog world is full of graded
> [in]consistency. You see it a lot with artifacts resulting from welding,
> baking, brewing, etc. ... I even saw it often with the level 3 drafting at
> lockheed. Any inconsistencies resulting from our designs, the effete
> knowledge engineers, were *easily* overcome by the gritty on-the-ground
> engineers ... like smoothing out burrs or gluing together pieces that don't
> quite fit.
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> In the special case of refined, crisply expressed propositions of digital
> computation, inconsistency finding becomes a (perhaps the) powerful tool.
> Debugging a serial program relies on it fundamentally. But it's softened a
> bit in parallel algorithms. Inconsistency is broken up into multiple, yet
> still crisp, types (race conditions, deadlocks, etc.). As approach "the
> real world" and move away from digital computation, it seems, to my
> ignorant eye, that [in]consistency softens more and more. Whether that
> softening takes the form of a countable set of types or something denser, I
> don't know. But it definitely takes on a different form.
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> Discussions like Frank and EricS are having about the stability of a limit
> point (never mind the ontological status of that point) get at this nicely.
> If you change the frame entirely (e.g. move to position-momentum) and the
> "inconsistency" of the singularities *moves* (or disappears entirely), then
> a focus on consistency is not as powerful of a tool. The focus becomes one
> of which frame expresses the target domain "less inconsistently" ... aka
> with fewer exceptions to the rule.
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> Yes, I know I've completely abused the word and its normal meaning.
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> On 10/4/21 12:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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> I agree with some of that.   I mentioned the dependently typed programming
> language as one technology to know when I am being inconsistent.   It
> doesn't mean I stop everything to resolve the inconsistency, but I might
> point the headlights in some other direction to avoid the inconsistency
> (breadth first search instead of depth first).   Inconsistency finding is a
> tool, and preferably a semi-automated one.
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> I'd rather have the option of being a depth first searcher and not worry
> about shelter and food and health care.   I'm not talented enough to be
> among the small number of people that can survive (adequately) doing that
> sort of thing.   I think I wouldn't even like it in general, even if I
> were.   I don't like being the person that says something is irrelevant
> because everything is irrelevant.   I'd like to be a freak among billions
> of freaks that all admire the accomplishments of other freaks.   This is
> not the world we live in, though.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
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> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 10:16 AM
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> To: friam at redfish.com
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> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
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> OK. But academia is in serious trouble, not least exhibited by the rise of
> populism and anti-intellectual distrust of those who might be attracted to
> depth-first search.
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> Another story: At the last salon, an entomologist asked me "Why do you
> know so much philosophy?" My guess is he was actually trying to politely
> criticize my incessant concept-dropping, referring to oblique discussions
> that only occur amongst such depth-first people. The answer is I don't know
> any philosophy. I'm the worst kind of tourist, trampling endangered species
> while snapping selfies on my iPhone.
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> But the deeper answer is that we don't need the academy anymore. What we
> need are social safety nets that facilitate the diverse exploration of the
> information field splayed out before us. If an unemployed snowboarder wants
> to do the work to propose a new theory of everything, so be it. I'm willing
> to sacrifice some of my income to help that happen, even if, or perhaps
> because it may eventually be found contradictory to some other ToE
> somewhere. But a consistency hobgoblin would nip that nonsense in the bud
> at the first hint of contradiction ... like a blankface academic advisor in
> some Physics department at some elitist institution.
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> A focus on consistency is nothing more than subculture gatekeeping <
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gatekeeping>.
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> On 10/4/21 10:01 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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> In some depth first search one might find a sub-problem that was
> uncrackable.   If it is one of 100 problems to solve, it is dumb to get
> hung-up on it, especially if it is of no practical significance.    But it
> is a problem that will attract a certain kind of (autistic) academic
> attention as well.
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