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Sun Oct 17 12:06:28 EDT 2021

I appreciate your insight, Roger.  Yeah, right!

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

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Santa Fe, NM

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:15 AM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> Schrödinger's Meme, a superposition of sincerity and irony, which just
> gets more indeterminate the longer you look at it, flickering with each new
> piece of information about the history of the performer or the meme, an
> endlessly questionable moment of human expression.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 9:39 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is well argued, despite Frank's mischaracterization. We've had this
>> conversation a lot, including the discussion of seemingly cruel actuarial
>> dollar values of human lives:
>>
>> Risk-Aversion Sets Life Value
>> https://www.overcomingbias.com/2020/06/the-value-of-life.html
>>
>> I often wonder if someone will eventually "cancel" me by weaponizing some
>> arbitrary thing I say or write the way Frank's weaponizing Jon's comment.
>> As we've discussed before, it can happen to anyone:
>>
>> The New Puritans
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/new-puritans-mob-justice-canceled/619818/
>>
>> We'd all like to think we're better than the New Puritans. But to me,
>> it's simply more evidence this forum isn't appropriate for chat. Arguably,
>> the zoom meeting would be appropriate. But because some of us can't/won't
>> make the distinction, we end up in this awkward situation.
>>
>> My favorite recent example of a confused privied white dude
>> misunderstanding appropriate fora is Peter Singer:
>>
>> Faculty at Rhodes College Urge Cancellation of Online Talk by Peter
>> Singer (updated)
>>
>> https://dailynous.com/2021/09/28/faculty-at-rhodes-college-urge-cancellation-of-online-talk-by-peter-singer/
>>
>> The whole situation is absurd. And if you don't appreciate the implicit
>> humor, you'll never grok the Zoomers:
>>
>> what makes gen z humor so interesting?
>> https://youtu.be/a1LyTThf7V0
>>
>> On October 16, 2021 11:39:32 AM PDT, Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >"""
>> >
>> >Also on Friday you said that you are happy when people my age die.  So it
>> >doesn't matter to you that 95% of people who die are unvaccinated.
>> >
>> >"""
>> >
>> >
>> >Something similar to that, so thank you for this opportunity to
>> >clarify. What are examples of goals that others not like yourself
>> >might have? For one, they may not think that saving a few million
>> >lives is worth preserving the status quo, the power structures that
>> >have the world veering toward its death. I suggested (with tongue only
>> >partially in cheek) that mother nature offered a solution for
>> >recalibrating the power distribution and that we found a vaccination
>> >for it. Sure, hot words, but not that much more triggering than the
>> >shit we usually say in a Friam meeting. I hear ageist, racist and
>> >classist remarks nearly every Friday, so shrug.
>> >
>> >
>> >For instance, you made it clear that everybody in Pittsburgh knows who
>> >is black and who isn't. Another suggested that life was easier back
>> >then. EricC slid one under your radar by asking if it was based on the
>> >standard definition that of having 1/4 black heritage, to which you
>> >thoughtlessly agreed. Nick or maybe someone else pointed out that the
>> >studies did not hold up in Africa and that the correspondence was
>> >maybe not the result of "race" (whatever that is) but relatively
>> >recent cultural pressures (the descendants of those that did not die
>> >on a difficult journey across the ocean and into slavery to serve your
>> >ancestors[!]).
>> >
>> >
>> >It is clear that continuing to push your personal work is your own
>> >narcissism and not because it is relevant to anything (like your
>> >anecdote about StuK and you bullying some researchers that actually
>> >did work into adding you both onto their paper). What could it mean to
>> >be relevant? I leave that to you as an exercise.
>> >
>> >
>> >All said, I care about you Frank, and I also must call a spade a spade
>> >(that is a saying isn't it?) There is no reason for you to collect
>> >more per month now than anytime in your working life when so many
>> >people continue to work harder than you could have ever imagined for
>> >yourself, often risking their lives so that some silver fox can demand
>> >a refund for their steak being a little overcooked. I am not asking
>> >that you give away your comfort, but to acknowledge and maybe even
>> >attempt to set things right. Btw, I recognize and deeply respect the
>> >good things you are doing for your grandchildren.
>> >
>> >
>> >What I am asking for is the vulnerability to hear that others may be
>> >upset and their reasons worth feeling. Generationally speaking, I am a
>> >genX-er and we are very clear that there were never enough of us to
>> >matter and that the protests of our generation were quickly silenced
>> >by a phony war on terror. There is no part of me that wishes for what
>> >you boomers had (and squandered in your great numbers), but rather, I
>> >wish to understand how to support the generations after mine that are
>> >left with the legacy of boomer self-obsession. So, um... whatever
>> >dude.
>> >
>> >
>> >[!] But please, tell me again about your native american heritage.
>>
>>
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