[FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

[Frank Wimberly]

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On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:17 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nick, the problem here is context.  Time moves on and change happens, both
> positive and negative.  Now we have post-colonialism, BLM, and #metoo.
> What I think is interesting is that these internet-driven movements create
> a more distributed "Hero" cohort, whose charisma doesn't lead to worship,
> but perhaps leads to a different kind of celebrity.  Of course, all heroes
> are human and thus always flawed, except for David Miliband and
> Mikhail Gorbachev. My old boss, Jimmy Carter, was also pretty good, but
> remember--unlike Woody Allen--he did lust after women in his heart.
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 12:09 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everybody,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know.  Who has time to listen to podcasts.  Most of them are redundant
>> and so can be listened to while making chicken pot pie.  But every once in
>> a while there is one I have to listen to twice because it acquaints me with
>> a bunch of stuff I never will dive into but which I really want to know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-story-of-americas-founding-you-werent-taught-in-school/id1548604447?i=1000539039484
>>
>>
>>
>> The interviewee here Woody Houlton, a promoter of the 1619 Project, whose
>> goal is to recast the American revolution and particularly the constitution
>> as counter revolutionary moves.  It puts me in mind of Charles Beard, an
>> American historian who wrote in the 30’s a materialist history of the US
>> which was largely buried during the McCarthy era.  (I hope I have this
>> right, John)  The REAL revolution, on this account occurs after the Civil
>> War with the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments.   What I love about this
>> is that illuminates for me what is going on in our current debates over
>> textualism.  The Textualists are trying to get us back to the pre-Civil War
>> constitution which was dedicated to preserving the prerogatives of the
>> privileged classes.  That’s the world they hanker for.   Another bell it
>> rings for me concerns “cancel culture”.  Washington and Jefferson were in
>> many ways, vile men:  Both were voracious land speculators in stolen Indian
>> land and Jefferson, in his Idyllic Monticello, literally lived on top of
>> the underground habitations of his slaves.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do we do when we discover that people who have achieved great things
>> have also done great harms.  Basically it comes down to, Am I allowed to
>> watch a Woody Allen Movie?  Perhaps, if I were to watch a Woody Allen
>> movie, it would mean that I was NOT watching an equally good movie by an
>> unknown film guy, that our worship of Lee and Washington and Jefferson
>> crowds out the accomplishments of lesser known figures.   Shall we instead
>> worship MLK, who I guess was an infamous philanderer?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the problem here is with WORSHIP, full stop.  But, then, if we
>> don’t stand together in admiration of other people, how do we stand
>> together.  How do we achieve coalition without charisma?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
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