[FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

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Exactly. This word, used as pejorative by Dave and a badge of honor by others, "liberal", is as vague as "love is like a red, red, rose". It's fscking nonsense. Liberal, especially "classical liberal", means money. Money is free, but anything unrelated to money can be arbitrarily restricted or free, at your convenience.

Of course, trading with people, via money, always leaves open an avenue for communication. You make a great win-win money-making deal with some fascists, or royals from a misogynist regime, after which you have a cocktail ... or a coffee ... or whatever it is Muslims drink, and that win-win deal opens the door for meatspace interaction. So, that's a good thing. The Silk Road is a great equalizer.

But such tiny windows are not a cause for celebration. They're a cause for worry, because those windows are so small.

On 9/2/21 2:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Sure, and starting with the definitions asserted by the Economist.
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> I don’t really have anything to say.  I just thought the sweeping generalizations were getting a bit rich. 
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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> If you have another take on the topic, do fire away..
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>     On Sep 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>     I do wonder what the hell you guys are talking about.  I would guess that more than half the people on this list are liberals of some stripe.  Are you talking about us?  Do we ever get a say in the matter? 
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>     *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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>     Deplatforming is one manifestation of By Any Means Necessary.  And I am all for that for suitable targets like DJT and people that spread disinformation about public health.  But ideological purity, say taking down people like Al Franken is not helpful.   The willingness to play dirty is a different thing from sniping at colleagues over relatively minor differences.   There is a fractal quality to the left where distance metrics automatically rescale with the lens.   That’s fine, and progressive, provided one zooms out from time to time to take a look at the other monsters in the room.
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>     What do you mean!?  I AM Babble On.
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>     *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
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>     Once one believes the other side only lies, then the guiding principle becomes By Any Means Necessary..
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>         On Sep 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com <mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>         "Any man can be Babylon, in times like these." - Burning Spear


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