[FRIAM] gen'fur
Frank Wimberly
wimberly3 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 10 14:55:53 EDT 2021
Wimberly's Conjecture: There is no correct, reductionist explanation of
consciousness.
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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:44 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's no more profound than any other multi-order composition. It's part of
> the work we have to do for mechanistic modeling of higher order constructs.
> What galls me is that we can talk about it so much without discussing the
> mechanisms of construction.
>
> The details of composing from genes, through physiological structures,
> through interoception, to very high order attributes like "reading ability"
> are interesting, regardless of any profundity. But some of us need to be
> reminded of how the details build the narrative. Like Magic Eye pictures,
> the Necker cube, or the lady/vase thing, what might seem banal without the
> larger frame can seem profound when the discourse is enlarged ... when it
> all snaps into place.
>
>
> On 9/10/21 10:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > Fine, the goal is some composition of functions and it is all
> interdependent.
> >
> > Sure. Of course. Why is this so profound to y’all?
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *
> thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 10:20 AM
> > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <
> friam at redfish.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > Which takes us back to thermostats, intentionality, intensional
> inexistence, Sober’s epiphomenator, spandrels, and Lorenz’s law: The goal
> is never the function. If you build a bird that measures competing male
> robins in terms of “brown stick with red fluff” you eventually get an
> ethologist who gets that bird to attack by providing only brown sticks with
> red fluff.
> >
> >
> >
> > See. It’s all connected.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick Thompson
> >
> > ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>
> >
> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 10, 2021 12:30 PM
> > *To:* friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > Sometimes all you need is a good aphorism
> >
> > https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law <
> https://sketchplanations.com/goodharts-law>
> >
> > or maybe boost it up with a cartoon
> >
> > https://sketchplanations.com/ <https://sketchplanations.com/>
> >
> > I can't help but wonder if there's an analog of Goodhart's law
> lurking, here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On September 9, 2021 2:31:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <
> marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
> >
> > Or they are reprogramming their people to be smarter!
> >
> > (Actually, deCODE is owned by Amgen now.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Selection is already occurring, so it isn't as if this is some
> sci-fi thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> <
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/the-last-children-of-down-syndrome/616928/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:12 PM
> >
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > Aha! This is why Iceland has the highest per-capita fraction of
> published authors in the world. I had assumed it was the weather….
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2021, at 2:17 AM, Marcus Daniels <
> marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > That can be screened as well with a large population-wide
> survey such has been done in the UK or Iceland.
> >
> > Of course, it is unlikely that complex behaviors will be
> governed by isolated mutations, so the task is to look for highly
> predictive motifs (e.g. regular expressions).
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 10:12 AM
> >
> > To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites
> that generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other
> 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are
> considered bad ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot
> up a church or blow up a federal building.
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition to polyphenism, there's robustness. If more than
> 1 site generates the same functional ability (reading), then do we write
> them all? ... just one of them? ... a probabilistically predictive handful
> of them?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/9/21 10:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >
> > So find the sites that correspond to reading ability, or
> whatever, and WRITE them.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:
> friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 9:51 AM
> >
> > To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur
> >
> >
> >
> > I was alerted to this article this morning:
> >
> >
> >
> > Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?
> >
> >
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con <
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-con>
> >
> > v
> >
> > inced-that-genetics-matters
> >
> >
> >
> > It should delight those amongst us who rant about the
> "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fraught concept of equality in
> the other thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > Coincidentally, also on 9/6, the BIAPT announced their
> early career prize winner Emily McTernan:
> >
> >
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo <
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.associationfo>
> >
> > rpoliticalthought.ac.uk
> %2fbiapt-2021-early-care&c=E,1,Je9MVNdO8lpJQOd
> >
> >
> 6fZwUNe-4z5yuFq0upxNIzMBFjmLFh_h5a63ueVVpd8lkEdWeUx5Xx1RaoPg3T5Ph8YlG
> >
> > 0558qqHLZD8-DKeBPEC3YYM,&typo=1
> >
> > er-prize-winner-dr-emily-mcternan/
> >
> >
> >
> > "In her forthcoming monograph, Dr McTernan develops her
> work on social equality further, to advance a pioneering conceptual account
> – and robust normative defence – of the phenomenon of ‘taking offence’.
> Therein, McTernan contends, we should understand taking offence, under
> appropriate conditions, as a civic virtue rather than a vice, as an emotion
> that embodies the resistance of social inequalities within a community."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/8/21 8:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> >
> > From about a cancer rate of 10% (without mutation)
> to 50% (with) but it depends on the BRCA variant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_ca>
> >
> > n
> >
> > c
> >
> > er.htm
> >
> > <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_c <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> >
> >
> > a <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> >
> >
> > n <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> >
> >
> > cer.htm> <
> https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/breast_ovarian_cancer/breast_cancer.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2021, at 4:07 PM, Frank Wimberly <
> wimberly3 at gmail.com> <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is the Braca gene that little correlated with
> breast cancer?
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> >
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> >
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> >
> >
> > 505 670-9918
> >
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, 4:57 PM Marcus Daniels <
> marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:
> marcus at snoutfarm.com> <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, it is hard to get excited about
> “unusual” variance. Modern
> >
> > classification algorithms like gradient boosting
> make it possible
> >
> > to predict phenotypes, and to me that is a lot
> more interesting
> >
> > (and still possible to deconstruct).____
> >
> >
> >
> > __ __
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>
> <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 3:53 PM
> >
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
> Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> <mailto:
> friam at redfish.com> <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
> >
> > *Subject:* [FRIAM] gen'fur____
> >
> >
> >
> > __ __
> >
> >
> >
> > Gen'fur this, gen'fur that... and also the
> realities of biological complexity....
>
>
> --
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>
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