[FRIAM] the cancellation arc

Wed Sep 15 16:26:22 EDT 2021

Dave thinks he is writing a user manual for that which he deems his mind and that which seems to be his body — the two are, of course, inextricably entwined and not separate in any real sense. So what he has 'learned' is the "text and illustrations on the next page of the user manual."

davew

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> Marcus, Dave,
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> No.  I seriously can’t [see the value].  Well, perhaps as a scientific exploration, but not as a personal one.  No.  I am too besotted with Shirley.   So, when Dave has put the helmet up on the shelf and turned to other things, what exactly has he learned?   And what has he learned it about? 
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> Still working on my income tax.  I called an income source today to get 1099 forms electronically and the Nice Person said “I can help you with that” but then said, first would I like to update my account.  “Oh, sure,” said I.   So, when we were done she said, “Now what can I do for you?”  And when I repeated my request she said, “Oh, I am sorry sir, the program won’t give us that information now because you have made changes in your profile.  You will need to reregister your account.  I will send you the paper work.  Have you got a notary nearby?”
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> It’s at moments like this I might reach for the helmet.  Or a revolver.  At times like this, it hardly matters which.
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> Nick Thompson
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:24 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> Cognitive enhancement, telepathy..  Can you seriously not see the potential?
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:02 PM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> Marcus, Marcus, Marcus ….
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> I am talking about a brain device.  A little helmet you clamp on your head and flip a switch.   
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> Would you (the hypothetical, you, not the actual one) buy it, and WHY? 
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> Nick Thompson
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:59 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> The genius of this luxury market, esp. for women, is that they simply attach it to other health and lifestyle products, and have celebrities like Gwyneth Paltrow put it in their online catalogs.   This is contrast to the similar services for men, that creates less thoughtful products like Cement Wall with Hole.  And really Nick, mind your own business!
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 10:46 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> OK.  So stipulate that I am naïve.  Now the question becomes, “Have you bought it?  And why?”
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> Nick Thompson
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:40 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> It sounds like an expensive investment to develop for what is already a saturated market.   (In case you weren’t aware.)  A much better product would be one that produced feelings of love, or a product that created and maintained intense concentration.
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *thompnickson2 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 10:20 AM
> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> Ok.  Imagine a device that would produce, at command, an orgasm.  Imagine further that it had settings that could be tweaked to produce different intensities and kinds of orgasm.  Imagine finally that it has a randomization setting.  Imagine that it costs 49.95, 30 day money back guarantee. 
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> Would you buy it? 
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> Does this have to do with the Shirley/Kaye Sera dimension Glen and I were talking about? (I think Glen was the one amongst you clods that got that joke.)  We who are in love with Shirley would never touch it;  you Kaye-lovers would buy it, I suppose.  Does it have anything to do with lack of respect for the decisions that Evolution has made for you?  Is the Shirley/Kaye distinction a version of the Apollonian/Dionysian distinction?  I hope that Dave West, priest as he is at the Temple of Kaye, with straighten me out on my Nietzsche.  See also, **Patterns of Culture  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Benedict#Patterns_of_Culture>** 
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> Nick Thompson
> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> I think the Flow TD-NIRS system is like $50k for now, but it isn’t really buyable yet.    The Flux magnetometer system would be in the millions, I think.   Nothing beats implanted wires!
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:46 AM
> *To:* friam at redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc
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> On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> See kernel.com
> Yeh, like that...   plenty of what looks like slick pre-release hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area is in a virtuous feedback loop.   A quick gander didn't present me with any numbers but the gear looks pretty pricey...   probably the stuff of a future motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go into a skid/fall/tumble!
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>>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>>>  Glen-
>>>> Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally different from connectivity drugs. Implants would be even better for interacting with that hairball of [intero|proprio]ceptive feedback loops that compose consciousness as well as pain.
>>> I've been dabbling with transcutaneous electro neural stim and electro muscular stim (TENS/EMS) primarily for pain and rehab (Mary's recent back/leg pain/dysfunction), trying to work it into the VR/AR simulacral artifacts I already fiddle with in Visual/Aural/CheapHaptics.  
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>>> The accessibility of VR/AR gear (HUD/HMD/GPU/CPU) has already overshot my wildest dreams of a couple of decades ago   I fiddled with EEG pickups 20 years ago but it was too early or at least there was a metaphorical impedance mismatch of sorts. I've NOT dabbled with transcranial magnetic stimulation...   I don't even know if it is accessible.  I am curious (guardedly hopeful) that these things are maturing at a pop/commercial level faster/better than at the professional level.   There may well be a crowd-sourced ensemble exploration underway right now.
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>>> Regarding your *muscaria/fly agaric* aspirations, I'm hearing something more like homeopathy or law-of-similars since the "fly" in *fly agaric* comes from etymologically the habit of using it to poison flies by infusing it in milk to attract flies.    Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of my observations here *are* tangents?).
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>>> - Steve
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>>>> So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. I've always wanted to try to fly by painting myself with muscaria.
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>>>> On 9/14/21 11:03 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>>>>> Glen: /Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more diverse, drugs than I do./
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>>>>> Diversity of *_/experiences/_*, not just drugs!!
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