[FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

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Naw!  It is about what we do about the presumptions to which we are blind
that blind us.  

 

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This just takes us back to is vs. ought.   If one is preoccupied with how
the universe ought to be, then one is less inclined to observe and measure
how it is and consider what the evidence means.  They split off to notions
like Mind and God and other claptrap.  It is a disability to their
comprehension of things.  That is why they are torturing their dilemma and
their identity.   The conclusion is both simple and painful to accept.

 

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Dear Colleagues,  

Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran down
the text linked below.  It is an entire book, and I have read only the first
chapter, but I found that fascinating.  It is a sort of airing of linen
concerning the role of science in the modern Islamic world that tracks in
interesting ways the recent American ambivalence about science.   This first
chapter is both unsettling and very familiar at the same time.  

http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims
-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009
.pdf

Ok, just to give you sense of one of the places it leaves me:  If the fault
of western science is that it is laced with  unacknowledged western values,
what would a science that acknowledged its values look like.  I have argued
that the science we practice is absurdly dualistic (given that we have only
one source of information).  But it is unclear to me how "dualism" is a
value.  Is the "rape of nature" and all that follows implicit in dualism?  I
wish I could claim that if I turn you all into monists, you will all become
wind=turbine fanatics, but I don't think that's the case.   Do values guide
what we do or are they just the heavy artillery that we muster to convince
others to do what we have done?  

See what you think?

 

Nick 

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