[FRIAM] by any means necessary

[Steve Smith]

On 2/15/22 1:35 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> An Ising model would also work here where collective activities are encoded as binary terms and the quadratic terms represent inter-subject affinity and repulsion to those activities.   For example, if a pig suffers, some support staff might stop participating in the company or violate an NDA and leak to the press.  All those staffs' couplings to other binaries encoding various company roles would then go to zero and not be able to participate in energy improving contributions.  Encoding enough binaries for the details of ONE company's employees and their functions would be thousands of variables.  Add in consumers and watchdogs and competitors and it would be very hard to find a global minimum, or even make progress.
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> But that's my point.   The world would just seize-up if empathy was extended without bounds, and every feeling reconciled.  Just look at how slow the legal system is already.    From a computational complexity perspective, we need coarser decomposable models, not yet more discovery.   The reservoir of unfairness, unhappiness, and grievance is without bound, and can easily be made worse if one doesn't assume some ability to self-regulate.


I do expect that judicious but widespread application of DAOs through 
blockchain/Distributed Ledger tech will automate this and even allow for 
(promote) methods for the coarse-graining you suggest.   I can't begin 
to describe the myriad mechanisms required/implied or the (obvious to 
some?) hitches in that conception, but I am curious enough to be hopeful 
or vice-versa.

A close colleague of mine recently joined IOHK/global-Cardano with this 
as a minor aspiration.   He mostly just wanted a job where he could 
write/think in Haskell without it being entirely about Crypto.   He is 
on the Marlowe <https://docs.cardano.org/marlowe/learn-about-marlowe> 
team, but has a much broader apprehension/stake in the enterprise.

A relevant line from the Cardano splash page <https://cardano.org/>:

/With a leading team of engineers, Cardano exists to redistribute power 
from unaccountable structures to the margins – to individuals – and be 
an enabling force for positive change and progress./

and their governance application page <https://cardano.org/governance/>:

    A model to marginalize none and give power to all - Our current
    systtems do not work for everyone.  A better, more positive future
    is possible.  If the world is to serve the many, it must be agreed
    to by the many.  Consensus must drive progress and where
    disagreement occurs it must drive creative solutions

as best I can tell, Cardano is the only serious and yet fully 
transparent system in this domain and that while there are plenty of 
players in the Ada Crypto game for the same base reasons as many play at 
the other Cryptocurrencies, there is something fundamentally different 
afoot with this effort.

Or maybe I'm just a naive optimist

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> Excellent! Thanks. However, it's also important to note that the lawsuit is against UC Davis, not Neuralink. So, to whatever extent that Neuralink funding, mixed with tax payer funding, drives university research (and possibly other things like overhead or paying a percentage of salary for some with teaching loads, etc.), those backseating costs can deeply impact whatever it is we call a research university.
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> I'm about halfway into my "evaluation" ofhttps://consilienceproject.org/. What I've seen so far has a healthy plating (I was going to say veneer, but that's too thin) of pretty words. But those pretty words sound a tiny bit like Neuralink's corporatized strawman/response to these accusations. I bring up Consilience because it's placed in between a for-profit company and a research university. On Consilience's About page, you see 2 ethical commitments:
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> • collective attribution of authorship, and • transparency in methodology
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> These may seem a bit contradictory to some observers. My guess is that, given some time and effort (maybe even semi-automated NLP computation), I could ferret out who wrote which featured article. What I'd like to be transparent is who contributes what to each article. (This is a professional task I have to some extent with my clients ... so it's not mere hobby.)
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> Going back to the lawsuit against UC Davis and the 3 example spectrum (and perhaps even the political tangent SteveS raised), where does Neuralink end and UC Davis begin? In our capitalist society, is it reasonable for Neuralink to be less susceptible to the flattening you describe by aggregating (not summing over) all subjects' projections from a high-dimensional construct?
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> We see a similar thread in the "academic free speech" rhetoric the alt-right is pushing these days (though there are lefty exceptions) ... aka when is an academic not talking as an academic? And in the Barret and Gorsuch exhortations that they're not partisan hacks ... even when talking at a partisan event.
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> [sigh] I know these fluffy issues aren't interesting to most people. It's way easier to shut up and calculate. But not only are they interesting to me, I think they're necessary, then, now, and later.
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> On 2/15/22 11:30, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> For some activity there will be a mesh of consequences, that perhaps with enough transparency, debate, and observation the facts of the matter could be quantified as a large graph.  Across this graph, one could apply a subject's function of the utility of each one of those consequences.   If some of the consequences are both illegal and observable and a node represented a risk to the subject doing the assessment of the graph, then that node would probably result in a negative utility for most subjects and perhaps it will overwhelm other positive evaluations across other nodes.  One could perform the same procedure across all possible subjects.   The sum would be a social evaluation of the mesh of consequences.  I think it would not be very useful, and not even address externalized costs.    Throughout this procedure the subjects' utility functions would all be subject to advertising, propaganda, religion, blood sugar and hormones.    Measure twice you could get different answer.
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>> If there are externalized costs that need to be recognized for the survival of humans, then humans will have to create laws with large risks for those that don't comply with them.   (Case-by-case harassment, vigilantism, or terrorism wouldn't scale as well.)   My guess in this Neuralink case, is that if there were any deviations from best practices, they will be aware of this risk in the future.   In the cynical view of it being propaganda, well, yes, they'll be motivated to make the best kind they can and to set things up to compartmentalize the most sensitive or emotionally charged information.
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> glen
> When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.
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