[FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

Wed Jan 5 21:58:10 EST 2022

On 1/5/22 4:49 PM, glen wrote:
> That's a good point. It reminds me of the fake-it-till-you-make-it 
> backlash we see surrounding the downfall of Holmes, or maybe the 
> short-sightedness of basing a corporation's worth on quarterly 
> earnings or stock prices ... or even just until your *exit*, laughing 
> all the way to the bank. I think I posted on the paradox of tolerance 
> recently. On the one hand, tolerating Republican gaming like voter 
> suppression, packing the court with long-term judgeships, and 
> gerry-mandering requires Democrats to engage in the same slimy 
> behavior when they're in charge. But *not* tolerating it requires that 
> Dems have to put a stop to it when *they're* in charge, shooting 
> themselves in the foot. It's like the no-go theorems. What results is 
> constant deadlock.
>
> But when something does happen, it's the Reps who make it happen 
> because Reps are too short-sighted to care what'll happen if/when they 
> lose power and Dems are too far-sighted to make aggressive moves when 
> they can. Then when the Reps lose power and The System oppresses them 
> exactly the way they designed it to oppress others, they conveniently 
> forget, whine and whimper, and the silly *empathy-laden* Dems behave 
> "reasonably".
>
> Maybe we really do need a Philosopher Queen, with a ruthless cadre of 
> lictors, instead of this Frankenstein's monster we have?
"The *worst* form of government, except for all the other one's we've 
tried!"   I suppose it is time to try some other forms of "governANCE" ?
>
> On 1/5/22 15:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Glen writes:
>>
>> < The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The deterrent is 
>> being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an eye on you. 
>> Look at the many people whose outlook has deteriorated simply from 
>> The System Gaze. >
>>
>> And yet essentially the entire Republican party has been taken over 
>> by people tolerant of these nuts.  If they become the System, then 
>> the Gaze changes (subject to limitations in attention span).   I 
>> agree the bureaucracy and the rejection by the lefty meanies and 
>> "manager class" seems to get to them, but there also appears to a 
>> real fear of the deep state. Sometimes I wish this imaginary deep 
>> state would swallow some of them up just to promote a sense of 
>> paranoia and powerlessness.   It's not like they are *after* 
>> democracy, so they shouldn't be upset or surprised if it the 
>> machinery turns against them.
>>
>> Marcus
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen 
>> <gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:31 PM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index
>> Yeah, while I disagree with the minor point Barry makes about the 
>> coloring (e.g. CA is darker but with larger pop than TX, same re NY 
>> and PA), the visualization isn't the point. The point is a database 
>> GUI so you can hover and see the vector of numbers, click to see the 
>> names, etc.
>>
>> As for putting them down hard, I tend to think the death by 1000 cuts 
>> is more effective. The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The 
>> deterrent is being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an 
>> eye on you. Look at the many people whose outlook has deteriorated 
>> simply from The System Gaze. When Rittenhouse was acquitted, it 
>> reminded me of Zimmermann 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman>>, child movie/music 
>> stars, and cancelled professors/pundits. Unless you've got a really 
>> solid support system, that focused attention will be excruciating. 
>> You'll learn to punch the paparazzi in the face and hermit yourself 
>> away quickly ... or die from a drug overdose eventually.
>>
>> Swift punishment is supposed to be a citizen right. But if The System 
>> Gazes at you, that's the real punishment. Plus, many people have 
>> short attention spans. So if you put some down hard, you'll 
>> radicalize some onlookers. But if you put them down over, say, 10 
>> years, the onlookers get bored or distracted.
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/22 10:58, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> I suppose it depends on the question. Is the question where to place 
>>> resources to tip the balance of power, esp. for the senate?   It's 
>>> starting to feel like COVID.   They are around, everywhere...  I 
>>> kind of wonder what would happen if there were a second  Jan 6th 
>>> where they were put down hard.  Would it change anything if they 
>>> were dead in front of the capitol and it was on Fox News?
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>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Barry 
>>> MacKichan <barry.mackichan at mackichan.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 11:49 AM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>>> <friam at redfish.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index
>>>
>>> This map, like many others, is pretty much a map showing the 
>>> population of each state. Using color to give 
>>> #insurrectionists/population would be better, but even this still 
>>> improperly gives relative importance to the states with large areas.
>>>
>>> Dave named the two states that are formerly independent. For 
>>> completeness I’ll add West Virginia which seceded from Virginia when 
>>> Virginiu seceded from the US. (I think some counties in east 
>>> Tennessee also seceded, but weren’t enough to make a state and 
>>> weren’t  contiguous with the US.
>>>
>>> —Barry
>>>
>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 10:19, glen wrote:
>>>
>>>     https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/> 
>>> <https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/>>
>>>
>>>      It's interesting how bright Texas and Florida are. Maybe I 
>>> should move to Vermont next. 8^D
>>>
>>>      --      glen
>>>      Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
>>
>> -- 
>> glen
>> Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
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