[FRIAM] The Insurrection Index

Thu Jan 6 09:17:49 EST 2022

Yeah, maybe gaze is a bad term for it. I've heard the phrase "in the system", mostly for disadvantaged people (economic, minority, disabled, undocumented, orphaned, etc.) who have some slight brush with the law or some little hitler bureaucrat, get their name on the books somehow, and everything snowballs from there.

We *could*, were we being generous, include people like the QAnon Shaman and Rittenhouse, simply too stupid to know what they were doing was wrong in any way. I think it's appropriate to include 1st occurrence drunk drivers, 18 year olds who have sex with their 17 year old [girl|boy]friend, 14 year olds whose sexting is exposed, etc. It might even be appropriate to include very young gang members who joined the gang simply because it's a cultural norm to do so.

I guess its akin to how triggered snowflakes of all stripes get when they're mores are offended ... and an extension of the old saw of the triangle between nanny state, daddy state, and infinite resources autonomy. The judges who handle the insurrectionists should have a steely affect like fighter pilots, I think. It doesn't matter how insane they or what the circumstances are, just handle it like you'd handle really bad turbulence or a blown engine. The same for any legislator, executive, or justice with an eye on what our democracy is/means.

On 1/5/22 16:41, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I'm not sure how broadly to define the Gaze.   I think it is a sort of psychological warfare, and terrorism in some cases.   The drone attacks in Syria against ISIS seem like a form (factoring off the specific violence).   Or treatment of blacks by police.  Anything where one's welfare could be at risk in unpredictable ways, and really having no idea when and if it is coming.    Here it is clear why it would be coming, and to me makes some difference in deciding on the ethics of using such techniques.   Even if there are some who can harden their minds to such harassment, I bet it is incredibly effective overall at destroying the cognitive life of its targets.
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> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index
> That's a good point. It reminds me of the fake-it-till-you-make-it backlash we see surrounding the downfall of Holmes, or maybe the short-sightedness of basing a corporation's worth on quarterly earnings or stock prices ... or even just until your *exit*, laughing all the way to the bank. I think I posted on the paradox of tolerance recently. On the one hand, tolerating Republican gaming like voter suppression, packing the court with long-term judgeships, and gerry-mandering requires Democrats to engage in the same slimy behavior when they're in charge. But *not* tolerating it requires that Dems have to put a stop to it when *they're* in charge, shooting themselves in the foot. It's like the no-go theorems. What results is constant deadlock.
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> But when something does happen, it's the Reps who make it happen because Reps are too short-sighted to care what'll happen if/when they lose power and Dems are too far-sighted to make aggressive moves when they can. Then when the Reps lose power and The System oppresses them exactly the way they designed it to oppress others, they conveniently forget, whine and whimper, and the silly *empathy-laden* Dems behave "reasonably".
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> Maybe we really do need a Philosopher Queen, with a ruthless cadre of lictors, instead of this Frankenstein's monster we have?
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> On 1/5/22 15:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Glen writes:
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>> < The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The deterrent is being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an eye on you. Look at the many people whose outlook has deteriorated simply from The System Gaze. >
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>> And yet essentially the entire Republican party has been taken over by people tolerant of these nuts.  If they become the System, then the Gaze changes (subject to limitations in attention span).   I agree the bureaucracy and the rejection by the lefty meanies  and "manager class" seems to get to them, but there also appears to a real fear of the deep state.    Sometimes I wish this imaginary deep state would swallow some of them up just to promote a sense of paranoia and powerlessness.    It's not like they are *after* democracy, so they shouldn't be upset or surprised if it the machinery turns against them.
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>> Marcus
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 12:31 PM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index
>> Yeah, while I disagree with the minor point Barry makes about the coloring (e.g. CA is darker but with larger pop than TX, same re NY and PA), the visualization isn't the point. The point is a database GUI so you can hover and see the vector of numbers, click  to see the names, etc.
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>> As for putting them down hard, I tend to think the death by 1000 cuts is more effective. The actual penalty isn't really the deterrent. The deterrent is being "in the System" ... having the bureaucracy keep an eye on you. Look at the many people whose outlook  has deteriorated simply from The System Gaze. When Rittenhouse was acquitted, it reminded me of Zimmermann <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman>>>, child movie/music stars, and cancelled professors/pundits. Unless you've got a really solid support system, that focused attention will be excruciating. You'll learn to punch the paparazzi in the face and hermit yourself away quickly ... or die from a drug overdose eventually.
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>> Swift punishment is supposed to be a citizen right. But if The System Gazes at you, that's the real punishment. Plus, many people have short attention spans. So if you put some down hard, you'll radicalize some onlookers. But if you put them down over, say,  10 years, the onlookers get bored or distracted.
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>> On 1/5/22 10:58, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> I suppose it depends on the question.  Is the question where to place resources to tip the balance of power, esp. for the senate?   It's starting to feel like COVID.   They are around, everywhere...  I kind of wonder what would happen if there were a second Jan 6th where they were put down hard.  Would it change anything if they were dead in front of the capitol and it was on Fox News?
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>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Barry MacKichan <barry.mackichan at mackichan.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 5, 2022 11:49 AM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Insurrection Index
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>>> This map, like many others, is pretty much a map showing the population of each state. Using color to give #insurrectionists/population would be better, but even this still improperly gives relative importance to the states with large areas.
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>>> Dave named the two states that are formerly independent. For completeness I’ll add West Virginia which seceded from Virginia when Virginiu seceded from the US. (I think some counties in east Tennessee also seceded, but weren’t enough to make a state and  weren’t  contiguous with the US.
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>>> —Barry
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>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 10:19, glen wrote:
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>>>     https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/> <https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/>> <https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/ <https://insurrectionindex.org/>>>
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>>>     It's interesting how bright Texas and Florida are. Maybe I should move to Vermont next. 8^D
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glen
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