[FRIAM] New Mexico Rivers and Navigable Servitude [was: One of many things the country is fucked on]

Stephen Guerin stephen.guerin at simtable.com
Fri Jan 21 19:12:54 EST 2022 

mount a mobile phone vertically on small craft in waterproof case with
solar so front and backfacing cameras can stream out to remote pilot or
onboard AI to control simple propellers....
https://solarpanelfreak.com/best-solar-powered-phone-case/
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Stephen.Guerin at Simtable.com <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 5:04 PM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes. Good idea. Send a poem in a bottle and I will reimburse you for it.
> Maybe put an Airtag in there too so that I can find it.
>
> Cody Smith
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:48 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been dropping notes (poems) in a bottle in the Rio Grande for
>> decades now... I suppose if I offered them for sale to down-river folks,
>> that would suffice (even one single annual sale?)
>>
>> Cody, wanna buy a poem in a Bulliet Rye bottle?   It is up to you to wait
>> at the banks of the Rio Grande to catch it.   Actually you would need to go
>> paddle-board around Cochiti lake to find it I suppose.
>> On 1/21/22 10:24 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
>>
>> or commerce and navigability may be accomplished by a NM Stream
>> Commission contract to continuously survey the waterway bathymetry with
>> unmanned surface vehicles:
>>   https://www.oceanalpha.com/product-item/sl40/
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Stephen.Guerin at Simtable.com <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
>> CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
>> 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
>> twitter: @simtable
>> z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM Stephen Guerin <
>> stephen.guerin at simtable.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cody,
>>>
>>> Noticed that issue made international news and was covered by the
>>> Guardian in 2018.
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/15/privatized-rivers-us-public-lands-waterways
>>>
>>> I suspect you're aware but didn't mention is Federal doctrine of
>>> "Navigable Servitude" that ties navigability to State Ownership that
>>> prevents the riverbed from converting to private land.
>>>
>>>    - See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigable_servitude
>>>    -
>>>    https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Wiki/stewardship:navigability
>>>     Note from this article the concept of proving "Susceptibly of Commerce"
>>>    " If the river has ever been demonstrably been used for commerce,
>>>    then it can readily be found navigable under federal law. However, many
>>>    states have also accepted demonstrations that the waterway is merely
>>>    capable of commerce as proof of susceptibility.
>>>
>>>    Commerce refers to the ability to transport goods to or from market,
>>>    or for sale. Commerce inherently includes the right of navigation. Commerce
>>>    and therefore navigation includes transportation of timber, as well as
>>>    transport by barge traffic or oceangoing ships. Some states have also
>>>    accepted evidence of use by a commercial raft company, or kayak or canoe
>>>    school as evidence of commercial navigability.
>>>
>>>    If the river was used for transporting goods for sale prior to
>>>    statehood, then the river is clearly navigable by federal definition. As
>>>    such, the bed and the bank up to the mean high water mark are owned by the
>>>    state and held in trust for the public."
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to have a site to track craft GPS and imagery to
>>> continue to maintain public ownership. The Realtime.Earth app could be a
>>> kind of crowdsourced RiverView ala Google Street View. I also wonder what
>>> would qualify as craft as navigation. Certainly barges with no onboard
>>> pilots and dragged by mules on the side and "remote piloting" qualified. I
>>> would think a legal argument could be made drone craft with GPS and
>>> cameras qualify as navigation craft. Also would be safer given the barbed
>>> wire obstacles.
>>>
>>> WRT to establishing commerce, we can set up a Culinary Mushroom delivery
>>> service where supply is put in on the river (up or downstream as a drone
>>> boat can probably handle it) and customers retrieve the Culinary (or other)
>>> mushrooms somewhere else. Citizens can buy a Crypto Coin to support the
>>> project as well as convert their Coins as they are backed by mushrooms. As
>>> we've talked about at the office, this could be the worlds first Fungible
>>> Currency and imagery could be sold as Fungible Tokens :-)
>>>
>>> -Stephen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>> Stephen.Guerin at Simtable.com <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
>>> CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
>>> 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
>>> twitter: @simtable
>>> z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:22 AM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Forgive me while I hijack this rant to append my own political rant?
>>>>
>>>> Here is some background. I live in New Mexico, which is a land of very
>>>> little water. Last year I got interested in stand up paddle boarding in the
>>>> few rivers that annually have enough water to float on. It is a great way
>>>> to see wildlife and avoid the summer heat. New Mexico is lucky enough to
>>>> have a state constitution that protects people's rights to use waterways
>>>> [1].
>>>> Our previous Governor, who was basically a spokesperson for rich
>>>> private interests (AKA Texans), silently made a rule that allowed land
>>>> owners (Texans) to put barbed wire across the rivers. It only takes a few
>>>> fences to make a river non navigable by inflatable boat. That rule is
>>>> mostly not enforced because it is unconstitutional, and unfair. It is
>>>> currently on it's way to the supreme court. I probably don't need to
>>>> mention that the rich landowners have much more money in this fight than
>>>> the rafters and fisherman.
>>>> In the meantime, our current governor, who is a Democrat with some
>>>> arguably dictator-like tendencies, has started to fire every game
>>>> commissioner who refuses to enforce the previously mentioned
>>>> unconstitutional rule. There have been 2 so far [2]. I am curious what
>>>> her motivations are. Is there such a thing as lobbyist induced Stockholm
>>>> syndrome?
>>>>
>>>> Cody Smith
>>>>
>>>> [1] New Mexico Consttution. Article 16 Section 2.
>>>> https://ballotpedia.org/Article_XVI,_New_Mexico_Constitution
>>>> [2] Much more information with links.
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Albuquerque/comments/s3zdrk/governor_removes_another_qualified_commissioner/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 2:08 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let me try to view it from a complexity perspective:
>>>>>
>>>>> After the Cold War we thought capitalism has won and communism lost,
>>>>> but it is not that simple. Now we see the drawbacks of capitalism too.
>>>>> Companies in capitalism were forced to reduce their costs and all the jobs
>>>>> went to China where most supply chains end now. Nature is exploited in
>>>>> capitalism globally on a unprecedented scale. The climate is broken and the
>>>>> world is burning. The world drowns in waste: plastic waste, nuclear waste,
>>>>> e-waste, ....
>>>>>
>>>>> The system is not only producing trash, it even sells trash wrapped in
>>>>> lies. Fast food corporations ruin our health by selling fake food and
>>>>> paying their workers extremely low slave wages. They spend a lot of money
>>>>> for ads and marketing though, but marketing can be considered as the art of
>>>>> lying. Amazon has successfully destroyed all bookstores and pays its
>>>>> workers in fulfillment centers not enough to make a living. Facebook aka
>>>>> Meta helps to destroy democracy while Mark Zuckerberg enjoys his life in
>>>>> his giant estate in Hawaii.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gil is right, the world is broken in many ways. Obviously we need to
>>>>> support our politicians in understanding the mess and in finding ways to
>>>>> fix it. Complexity science helps us to study complex systems on a large
>>>>> scale, to understand how they work, how they interact and how they can
>>>>> fail. The SFI in Santa Fe is known worldwide as a promoter for work in this
>>>>> important area, even if it might appear as a shabby or boring building to
>>>>> local residents.
>>>>>
>>>>> -J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Stephen Guerin <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
>>>>> Date: 1/14/22 05:31 (GMT+01:00)
>>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>>>>> friam at redfish.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] One of many things the country is fucked on
>>>>>
>>>>> Gil,
>>>>>
>>>>> I love you, man. Maybe a little less gratuitous graphic imagery in the
>>>>> rants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Extra points if you can tie the rants to some kind of Complexity
>>>>> perspective -  Not that that is too common here. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Stephen
>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Stephen.Guerin at Simtable.com <stephen.guerin at simtable.com>
>>>>> CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
>>>>> t1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>>> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
>>>>> twitter: @simtable
>>>>> z <http://zoom.com/j/5055775828>oom.simtable.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:31 PM Gillian Densmore <
>>>>> gil.densmore at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The maslows are just fucked. Reason number 99999 out of googolplex.
>>>>>> To save myself a lot of mental wear and tair. and to save some on
>>>>>> gass. I had hoped I could shop amazon pantry. for at least some of it.
>>>>>> -a lot of the basics: breakfast cerials, or bagels aint available for
>>>>>> SNAP,or even at all where I am geographically speaking. I guess bozo the
>>>>>> the clown doesn't consider santa fe a real place. Welcome to club ahole.
>>>>>> -Snack stuff is equally hit and mis for just being available
>>>>>> -same for cleaning sprays and gels
>>>>>> Oh but I can get my cookies and MnMs on all I want.
>>>>>> The very fact that 500 some odd twats even consider a weekly alowence
>>>>>> er um sorry "Universal income" as a question. Is just fucking stupid.  If
>>>>>> they can't even get around to, uh ya know fixing the economy, having
>>>>>> universal healthcare and blah blah. They sure the fuck can get the havenots
>>>>>> like yours truely a god damn alowence. my SDI from inflation just don't go
>>>>>> all that far. And trumpster types winge about 'oh being lazy blah blah'
>>>>>> .they see the news, they know, just as well as this list does.  Jobs sucked
>>>>>> a fat dick back in 2014 because of slave-wages. they suck more now because
>>>>>> of that, and covid reasons. Plus fact is not 100% of people can work if
>>>>>> they want to. Just not enough slots to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fail to understand why it is that with a super fragile ecosystem
>>>>>> home delivery is just a basic. Getting out for fresh is great. Telling
>>>>>> what's left of air to get reked not so much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Me the one sane dude left.
>>>>>>
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