[FRIAM] health care logistics

Tue Jan 25 08:42:05 EST 2022

Eric, it's quite possible I got infanticide confused with abortion.  I have
an image of suffocation of a newborn in my memory but I have younger
siblings who survived to old age.  Who knows what my two year old self was
imagining.

David, if you're here, your account the Buddhist understanding of the
development of the infantile mind is remarkably similar to the
psychoanalytic account of the separation-individuation process in the first
months of life.  I've had a book on my shelf for 50+ years called "Buddhism
and Psychoanlysis" by Alan Watts.  Maybe I should read it.

Frank

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On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 3:12 AM David Eric Smith <desmith at santafe.edu> wrote:

> I don’t remember hearing about infanticides, Frank, though there is much I
> miss that does happen.
>
> When Marc Feldman used to report on these things to us — he having been in
> the advising team to the Chinese government for their 1-child policy — he
> said the main instrument of gender imbalance was the ultrasound.  To the
> extent that daughters got drafted into service of other’s parents, while
> sons were drafted into service of their own parents, there was some level
> of non-medically-driven abortion of girls.  It is easy to imagine, of
> course, that there are rural areas that have access to government
> enforcement but not to ultrasound, though much more 30 years ago than now.
>
> Feldman said two things, one of which is an empirical claim and the other
> interpretive.  The empirical is probably trustworthy.  He said there was
> some province (or probably smaller region) where it wasn’t customary that
> married women always get carried off to the husband’s family, and that
> there, they did not see the sex ratio departing from whatever is its
> natural level, which I think is barely boy-biased to a degree that
> traditionally could have compensated for the excess death rates of boys in
> early life.  The interpretive thing he said was that, when questioned about
> what drove families to selectively abort until they had boy children, the
> number-1 answer they gave was not old-age material want, but a wish “to
> carry on the family name”.  Feldman seemed to think this was important, as
> an instance of the ineffable trumping the effable.  I hold the claim in
> some reserve, because the justification people give for doing something may
> or may not be what a neo-Skinnerian would call the actual cause.
>
> The other thing that I’m not sure I follow in the Seibert and Rees
> narrative is how a 1-child policy gets us to a 90% reduction in a few
> decades.  log2(0.1) ~ -3.32, so 1-child gets us to 10% in about 70 years if
> a generation is 20 years.  But that’s just details.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 9:11 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Excellent, Marcus.
>
> Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be significant.  Two
> problems, "God" has tricks for making babies.  As for 1 child per couple
> didn't they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?), particularly
> females?  My impression is that their population has grown substantially
> notwithstanding those policies.
>
> Frank
>
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>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>
>> Before I launch into a diatribe about why the hell we can't agree to
>> basic, never mind interesting things:   I'd just like to report that the
>> James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit.  Score one for the negotiating,
>> patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists and their counterparts in
>> government.
>>
>> Marcus
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric Smith <
>> desmith at santafe.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>
>> You know, as I read your characterization, Marcus, it took me back to
>> Hannah Arendt’s description of feudal Europe and the role of the
>> Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless fixer families in relation
>> to the feudal lords.  Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to the
>> right picture of the stateless ones navigating always through the cracks
>> and seams, compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had states.
>>
>> I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite map.  Yet it seems not
>> fully dissimilar.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:
>>
>> SFI sponsorship seems like very much a fideistic declaration.   It would
>> be interesting to see how that influence network feeds into a D.C.
>> influencer network and real money.   There are some linkages, like
>> Brookings, but leverage-wise it all seems much softer than with LANL and
>> the DOE.   And it all seems so fussy and indirect compared to slapping down
>> a few billion dollars to build a Starship.  That's the appeal of Musk:  I'm
>> f'ing doing this.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <
>> gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
>> *To:* friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics
>>
>> Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI
>> or people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply transferring
>> from one store to another ... buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts
>> with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum simulation
>> tool, they are not only buying a (questionable) piece of software; they're
>> buying *leverage* over people's salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will*
>> see that money again, perhaps much less of it, depending on the efficiency
>> of the transaction, or in fringe storage types (able to get past the
>> receptionist after eating over-priced peri-Mexican food in order to have
>> tea with smart people).
>>
>> On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake!   They'll never see THAT
>> money again!
>> --
>> glen
>> Theorem 3. There exists a double master function.
>>
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