[FRIAM] AI etiquette, Marijuana research

Thu Jul 21 06:00:18 EDT 2022

Cody, did you read or hear about the aimbot  COD scandal?
https://www.itechpost.com/articles/106309/20210712/undetectable-aimbot-uses-ai-probed-activision-call-duty-facing-massive.htm

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:53 AM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey! Data is a TASbot+Calculator thank you very much😜 🤣🤣.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:38 PM cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It looks like fiction will never be the same. Here is a list of books
>> written by gpt3, https://lifearchitect.ai/books-by-ai/ .
>> I haven't read any of these.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 7:39 PM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not consider Asimov's robots to be "flat and empty," but they
>>> are an anomaly in that regard. They did, after all, invent the Zeroth Law
>>> of Robotics all by themselves.
>>>
>>> davew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, at 2:18 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel like this is yet another reminder that humans, by and large, lack
>>> imagination.
>>>
>>> The reason robots in sci-fi are flat and empty is because sci-fi is
>>> re-telling Descartes’s assertion that everything except humans (probably,
>>> sotto voce, except him) are flat and affectless.  Maybe even more than
>>> machines are that, we imprint that on the paradigm of machine.  It’s just
>>> the age-old thing of people needing to feel singular and important, and
>>> using vehicles like religion to systematize their neediness.  That sci-fi
>>> prides itself on being imaginative, while re-telling the same small
>>> portfolio of bible stories and other similar sources is human
>>> Dunning-Krugerness on display.
>>>
>>> A world free of all that corruption probably has lots of dimensions of
>>> possibility that humans will just drive by without noticing because their
>>> minds are elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Of course, each of your detailed points I recognize is true and a good
>>> one,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:05 AM, cody dooderson <d00d3rs0n at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is surprising that AI is so creative. Many science fiction robots
>>> were calculated but uncreative. They are like Data from star trek,
>>> basically a calculator with very little creative potential. But it seems
>>> like AI, as it develops, is actually more creative than its human
>>> counterparts.
>>> Here are a few examples that come to mind. AlphaGo beat the grandmaster,
>>> Lee Sedol, with moves that the grandmaster had never seen before. The art
>>> world is seeing some very cool stuff coming out of trained neural networks
>>> like Dall-e2*.  In the Sony article, they talk about a trick where the AI
>>> put a wheel on the grass to initiate a controlled slide. Do you think that
>>> modern Neural networks will give any insight into the nature of creativity?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Dall-e2 https://www.reddit.com/r/weirddalle/
>>>
>>> Cody Smith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 7:19 AM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Two articles from MIT Tech Review.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/19/1056176/sonys-racing-ai-destroyed-its-human-competitors-by-being-nice-and-fast/
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.technologyreview.com%2f2022%2f07%2f19%2f1056176%2fsonys-racing-ai-destroyed-its-human-competitors-by-being-nice-and-fast%2f&c=E,1,sW_uqrRPOXBSOBOKyAZBXmUeEC_gAg6bC8gm1INQST-ojGhCL2hs6hZ0n3OXOMaE29ZvHzCImJ-clJq2975O6Z7VJXWF-auEZX7UaV_rfFo7jCerKI3uQrTt&typo=1>
>>>
>>> Training AI drivers for Gran Turismo racing, it turns out that they can
>>> learn to physically drive faster than people, but they're too aggressive to
>>> win head to head races because they drive the competition off the road.  So
>>> you need to train them to observe the norms of the competition, by
>>> including penalties for crashes, bumps, cut-offs, etc, into the training.
>>> They still drive faster than people, and the way they drive is a bit
>>> disturbing to watch.
>>>
>>> [So if you were training AI drivers for political races, would the norms
>>> come from established law or where the voters could be persuaded to mark
>>> their polls?]
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/20/1056219/weed-influencer-and-scientist-feud-over-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome/
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.technologyreview.com%2f2022%2f07%2f20%2f1056219%2fweed-influencer-and-scientist-feud-over-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome%2f&c=E,1,V2LEaPWTwH3T7VFjGfU7bcnhh0onNBmvFckXpaLoRhfL1fS-X5j4_shbXCArwd2na4pUY52IMOtyZK5VLSHLt7YD7qfxOsYsys64-ZDOhZIodihFmXY1Zg,,&typo=1>
>>>
>>> The scientist and the instagram influencer attempt to study the genetic
>>> causes of CHS (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) and the influencer blows
>>> up the study when she declares that the scientist is a shill on her
>>> channel.  Ah the joys of decision making with uncertainty and cognitive
>>> bias.
>>>
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