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[Steve Smith]

I think "(mis)anthropocism" is a spectrum across more than one 
dimension... probably, nominally a fractal dimension for those who must 
quantify.

When I first encountered the term "neuro-diverse" and thought (similar 
time frame) about "anti-social" I found a lot more wiggle room for 
appreciating the many ways people present and in fact *are*!

Your (glen) attempt to place yourself on (the extreme of?) a couple of 
axes, is part of that apprehension.   When Doug shouted onlist "Glen, 
you can sure be an A**hole sometimes!" he was not wrong, but that said 
as much about how he *took* your trickster/contrarian style as it was 
about your intent (or so I surmise, who knows really?).  I can't speak 
for the whole list, but many of us *seem* to thrive on your contrarian 
style.   Even when I think you are *trying* to be mean, it feels more 
trickster-esque than not... possibly a complete misread on my part, but 
maybe just what I need?  I guess that makes you an "accidental" or 
"reluctant" tool of sorts (perjorative noted but not intended)?

Your reference to "scooter traffic in India" had such a perfect 
resonance with the Scooter/MC/Car/Bus traffic in Paris I experienced (as 
a rental-car driver from the wide open US Southwest) it.  That could 
have been appalling, especially the circum-ambulation of the Arc du 
Triomphe!   I was intrigued as much as appalled as I lurched  my way 
through the lurching traffic trying to get to the other side.  I felt 
like a Salmon running upstream to mate, but caught in a maelstrom of 
sorts.   I loved/hated every other vehicle(driver)  I saw/encountered in 
that mass whirlpool (that goes on at different intensities every hour of 
every day and night of every year?)...   you would have loved (and/or 
hated) it in a completely different way?

I'm sorry/not-sorry if this comes off as a compliment (or a criticism?) 
because I am sure I meant it to be the other thing.


On 6/6/22 6:29 PM, glen wrote:
> Ha! Well, IDK what "misanthropic" means. The accusation is lobbed at 
> me all the time because I don't enjoy hugs or other sorts of uninvited 
> touching and because I prefer criticism over compliments. But I think 
> the word carries different meanings in different contexts. While I'm 
> not fond of most human organisms, I *am* fond of the structures they 
> create ... their nests (apartments and cities), the fossils from their 
> behaviors (art, books), etc. I'm even fond of their large scale, 
> collective behaviors (like mosh pits and scooter traffic in India). If 
> there's a word for "hates humans but loves humankind", then I'm nearly 
> there.
>
> On 6/6/22 10:08, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Why can’t we all just be misanthropic and call it even?
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2022, at 8:44 AM, glen <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ya gotta love PZ. I don't know if he's a good biologist. But he's a 
>>> great critic, especially when he takes on members of the manosphere:
>>>
>>> https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2022/06/04/pz-takes-on-jordan-peterson-and-richard-dawkins/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> I know Dawkins might not be thought of as a member of the manosphere 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manosphere> ... but I think he ranks, 
>>> not least for his explicit and unnecessary opinions on trans people. 
>>> [sigh] What are the signs one's cultural homunculus has corrupted 
>>> one's scientific homunculus? And can the latter be returned to a 
>>> healthy state after such corruption?
>>>
>>> I'm knee deep in Mouffe's Agonistics: 
>>> https://bookshop.org/books/agonistics-thinking-the-world-politically/9781781681039 
>>> So far, it appeals to my anarcho-syndicalist and postmodern 
>>> sympathies. I'm at risk of being programmed by the text, though. 
>>> Luckily, I read so slow and comprehend so little, any programming 
>>> will be buggy: https://youtu.be/2j3adcbEwSM?t=52
>
>
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