[FRIAM] SCOTUS

[glen]

I've wanted to move overseas my entire adult life. But now I'm kinda inclined to stay *just because* the jackasses seem to be winning. I've even thought about the Free State Project <https://www.fsp.org/>, only instead of moving to a place to turn it into a libertarian dystopia, move to a right-wing dystopia and try to raise its score on the [u|dys]topian spectrum.

Ultimately, though, I'm a fan of the old camping adage: Leave it better than you found it. Anyone who moves away *now* is leaving it *worse* than they found it ... like a bunch of drunk hillbillies towing old cars to the forest for target practice.

On 6/24/22 10:16, Steve Smith wrote:
> Tom-
> 
> Even before the NY CC Gun decision and now Roe v Wade, I have had more than a few people asking me similar questions.
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> I don't have an easy answer.
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> Well, the answer to whether *any* northern European wants to enfold us as refugees is probably "not even"... yet I know plenty who have expatriated themselves to such places without becoming permanent residents (much less citizens).  Maybe buying a villa (or whole village) in an (otherwise abandoned) village for EU$1 (anecdotally something like that happens in Italy and maybe Greece and Portugal?) will be enough of a stake to be permanent resident?
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> BTW I find the Scandinavian (at least Norway, Denmark, Sweden) more appealing due to the relatively lower population density and high natural resource context, but only if I am being a selfish-greedy fellow who wants to avoid my own discomfort more than I want to make the world a better place.
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> A new friend/colleague I met here is 75 and was raised in NYC but left the US as conscription raised it's head in the 60s.   He came to NL and eventually naturalized, but has lived in Ireland and Iran for significant amounts of time.
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> I'm still interested, myself, in what the implications are of mass defection from the US (or just red-states) by Progressives? I believe many expats around the world maintain (thinly justified) voting registration in the US, but that seems a bit questionable in several ways?    I'm also interested in the opposite flow... what if enough Blue folks purple up some Red states to shift the Senate to something more representative?
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> This is fairly abstract even to me as I have plenty of red-tinged neighbors and family that I can't even begin to shift purple even if I talk myself blue (or purple) in the face with them.   Most are probably dancing in glee around the Abortion and the Gun debates.   Actually, my sister and her husband are not pro-gun at all and probably as pro-choice as they are pro-life, yet somehow they voted for Trump *at least* once!   They were also pro-mask/vaxx...   hmmm?   I think they just like hypercapitalistic extractive industries and "owning Libs"...
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> - Steve
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> On 6/23/22 8:37 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>> Steve:
>> Given today's reports of the SCOTUS decision on guns, do you think the Dutch would accept two refugees from the U.S.?
>> TJ in Malta
>>

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