[FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

Fri Mar 11 09:13:18 EST 2022

According to Seibert and Rees a small population is the only solution,
right?

Merle, does water vapor in the stratosphere cause cooling, like an
umbrella, or warming, like a blanket?

Frank

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:38 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com> wrote:

> The current situation suggests a solution to global warming:  A nuclear
> winter with a small residual population.
>
> On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Carl Tollander <carl at plektyx.com> wrote:
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> Not to be too much of a hydrogen fanboi here, but it looks like we would
> for many generation cases still be ahead compared to where we are with
> fossil.
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> http://gcep.stanford.edu/pdfs/i6W09tDtK-48PTmzHazOuw/3.2.3.Jacobson_Golden_07.pdf
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> My impression is that the transport and leakage issue is one that the UH
> folks are trying to address.  Now if they could achieve that in a vacuum....
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> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:52 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
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>> Back to growing fungus, I guess.
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>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:42 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ
>> hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal
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>> Oh, please, Frank!  I guess I need to show you a bit more about why this
>> is a bad idea.  (Or maybe you're pulling my leg.). See below from my "bad
>> climate mitigation notes" file and be better informed.
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>> First, the color code.  "Green" hydrogen, produced by electrolysis is
>> expensive, so it's produced by steam reforming--cheaper, but it uses
>> natural gas as a feedstock and produces "grey" hydrogen which contributes
>> nothing to climate change mitigation.  But "grey" can become "blue"
>> hydrogen when the CO2 is captured by carbon storage techniques that are
>> very doubtful on many levels.
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>> Also darn, atmospheric hydrogen sequesters hydroxyl radicals responsible
>> for the removal of methane.  Uh-oh!  There is even more interference when
>> hydrogen combines with oxygen in the stratosphere to form water vapor,
>> which also contributes to climate change. Finally, the entire process of
>> hydrogen production, transport, distribution, storage and use is affected
>> by common leaks that release gas into the atmosphere.  This is one of the
>> biggest problems among many, and it also seems to be under-reported and not
>> well understood by people looking for easy answers.
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>> Like you, dear Frank.
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>>   <https://twitter.com/yanes68>
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>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 8:57 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> I am a former pilot.  I think this is an excellent idea.  Don't confuse
>> hydrogen with hydrogen bombs.  Burning hydrogen produces water, not CO2.
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>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
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>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 8:53 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> I need assurance from somebody--anybody--that this is an incredibly bad
>> idea from a governor who drank some fatally spiked Kool-Aid.
>>
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>> International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory
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>> “This project puts New Mexico and Universal Hydrogen at the center of the
>> global effort to decarbonize transportation and aviation in particular,”
>> Lujan Grisham said in a statement. “Hydrogen, solar, wind and alternative
>> energy are job-rich industries and New Mexico’s partnerships with these
>> companies are part of a forward-thinking model to create a robust and
>> diversified economy, while being a part of the solution when it comes to a
>> changing climate.”
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>> BY KEVIN ROBINSON-AVILA / JOURNAL STAFF WRITER
>> <https://www.abqjournal.com/author/krobinson-avila>
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>> PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:47PM
>> UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:52PM
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>> <https://www.abqjournal.com/2478078/international-firm-to-invest-254m-in-abq-hydrogen-factory.html?utm_source=single-post-notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=International%20firm%20to%20invest%20$254M%20in%20ABQ%20hydrogen%20factory&utm_edition=202203102152>
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>> Universal Hydrogen — an international company with modular hydrogen
>> storage technology for planes, ground transportation and heavy
>> manufacturing — will invest $254 million in a new manufacturing and
>> distribution center at the Albuquerque International Sunport, potentially
>> employing up to 500 people, Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced Thursday
>> afternoon.The state will contribute $10 million in Local Economic
>> Development Act funding for the project, which could have a $700 million
>> economic impact here over the next 10 years, according to the Governor’s
>> Office, which held a news conference Thursday at Hotel Albuquerque in Old
>> Town to announce the project.
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