[FRIAM] and don’t miss this

Marcus Daniels marcus at snoutfarm.com
Thu Mar 17 11:33:06 EDT 2022


The switchblades being sent sound like they work..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AeroVironment_Switchblade

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-switchblade-drones-to-ukraine-to-crack-open-russian-defense/?amp

and perhaps the Ukrainians do have some skill with the S-300s..

https://kyivindependent.com/national/ukraines-old-air-defense-proves-unexpectedly-effective-in-combat/

On Mar 16, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb at gmail.com> wrote:


FYI, their low cost UAVs and drones use Raspberrry Pi processors on their own PCBs.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 1:59 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Advanced tracking technology!  Lol, in Russia that means it has an 80386?

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Ha! Could be fake, but:

Ukrainian S-300s Gain First Ever Kills: Shoot Down Two NATO Aircraft Accidentally Over Romania - Reports https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainian-s-300s-gain-first-ever-confirmed-kill-shoot-down-two-nato-aircraft-accidentally-over-romania

It's one thing to smuggle in weapons. It's another thing to have people there who know how to operate those weapons.

On 3/16/22 12:16, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Glen writes:
>
> < NATO rejects the no-fly zone. But my guess is it's not because of
> some Utilitarian sense of suffering. It's because war is only
> profitable to a small slice of the industrial world. In some ways,
> that's a good thing, I guess. It signals that we've moved away from
> bombs and fire, toward money and "cyber"/info. To Alphabet, Meta, and
> even Musk Enterprises, people are not only the means of production,
> but also the product. It's stupid to destroy your merchandise. It's
> smarter to keep them enslaved. It's akin to our move from broad
> spectrum [pest|herb]icides toward *targeted* "management". Bombs and
> fire are too coarse to preserve the status quo. Oligarchs like Musk
> need the analog for GMOs and viruses ... hearts and minds of the
> Metaverse denizens. >
>
> If Russia wants to make claims to administer Ukrainian territory, then NATO can certainly do the same, especially since they are being begged to do so.    A no-fly zone keeps being treated as a term of art.
> It could just be a claim by NATO over some subset of the territory.   Responses to this proposal -- one I heard this morning from Richard Haas -- are dismissive without explanation.  He claimed that Russia's radar systems would have to be taken out.    I don't see why that would be necessary.    It would take the courage to put pilots and vehicles at risk:  Invite Russia to shoot at NATO aircraft.   Then as soon as the Russians attack a NATO security escort or shoot down a plane, punishment can be proportional.   After all, war is politics by other means -- appealing the folks in Russia and in Putin's orbit that the military operation has become too dangerous.   Meanwhile, once there is a territory that is relatively safe, then NATO can move more freely to relocate refugees and to deploy defensive and offensive weapons systems.  In a grinding war, it could make sense to start training Ukrainians on US weapons systems.
>
> As an extreme example to show the absurdity of these norms, the smuggling-in of weapons could include nuclear warheads.   So, in comparison, some planes flying around are not nearly as escalatory.
>
> And the media coverage of the military side of this isn't very penetrating.  This morning McFaul said that S-300s were now available to the Ukrainians.   Ok, that's somewhat significant.  No one is asking about surface-to-surface missiles.  Perhaps the administration and the Pentagon (and Zelensky's government) are just keeping the messaging light with the no-fly zone talk so that they have cover to deploy more diverse weapons?   I suspect it is not so Machiavellian, and the plea for a no-fly zone is simply desperation.



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