[FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

Tue Feb 21 20:17:13 EST 2023

just for grins I tried asking chatgpt to make a guess where Atlantis was.
it went in circles and wouldn't even hazard a guess. Though, I thought one
of the more likely inspirations came from a mixture of  Minoa,Crete, and
ancient spain. Though plato puts even me to shame as a world class BSer.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 5:49 PM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
wrote:

> FWIW when I asked ChatGPT about a fundraiser/just good fun called
> "Karoling with a Klingon." I have hosted for many years up to covid. It got
> the part about singing in Klingon and that it was a regular thing dead on.
> But where it went off the rails a bit was claiming it was a record. That is
> unless one of the numerous attendees have recoded it and I hadn't noticed.
> It did say it has to go through the internet, I did, however, get a plug
> once from a solo singer ("the klingon pop warrior"). And I think she has
> done a record. My guess is that it tries to google/equivilant. That
> sumerises what it finds. and kind of mashes it together.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 3:51 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove
>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> does ( though he's been pretty easy
>> on us the last few years ).
>>
>> I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response.
>>
>> To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI entitled
>> "Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models" but Dr. Google doesn't
>> seem to have found any reference to such a group.  This makes me think that
>> ChatGPT recognized FRIAM as an acronym and fished around in the
>> concept-linguistic-space of the *prominent* scientific institution (SFI)
>> related Santa Fe.   I don't know what to think about how it parsed out
>> "Infinite Automated" into "infinite dimensional" models?   The whole
>> passage suggests to me that ChatGPT's prime goal Is in fact to generate
>> *credible* or *plausable* narratives rather than accurate ones?
>>
>> Fascinating that the specific binding of specifically named FriAM
>> luminaries to specific roles at specific institutions associated with Santa
>> Fe.  Without doing the research to find Dopplynms within those
>> organizations, I'm pretty sure that at least Wimberly and Ropella are
>> uncommon enough names so as not to have parallels at LANL and Descartes.
>> This supports my feeling that ChatGPT is tuned for "plausability" over
>> other utility functions...
>>
>> This aligns with the implications of Glen's reference to the distinction
>> between bullshitting and lying.   ChatGPT is a definitely a strident
>> bullshitter.  But then most scriptwriters, showrunners, and directors in
>> Hollywood and too many politicians can be considered that way as well?
>>
>> The general conception of FriAM as a rolling group of participants is at
>> least superficially accurate, though I don't see that we have that much
>> turnover, nor does ChatGPT seem to recognize that our physical meetups
>> are/were the tip of the iceberg (tail of the dog) for the last umpteen
>> years...
>>
>> Also without looking I didn't know that there is a Nick Thompson who is
>> Editor-in-Chief of Wired, but take it for granted that this level of
>> specificity in the face of Wired Mag. being not particularly correlated
>> with Santa Fe suggests there IS and the BS factor comes in by being willing
>> to *assert* that these are the same Nick Thompson's with only the thinnest
>> of circumstantial evidence.
>>
>> The Eric Charles reference also seems specific enough to suggest that
>> there is a true dopplenym there.
>>
>> I was surprised by the error-of-attribution ChatGPT made to itself,
>> accusing itself of transposing "Vital" with "Mental" rather than to Jochen?
>>
>> Very well curated, interesting and relevant ChatGPT anecdote Jochen!
>>
>>
>> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
>> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
>> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
>> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
>> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
>> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
>> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
>> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
>> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
>> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>>
>> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
>> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
>> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
>> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
>> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
>> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
>> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
>> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
>> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
>> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
>> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
>> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
>> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
>> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
>> systems.
>>
>> Me: Can you name some active members?
>>
>> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
>> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
>> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
>> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
>> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
>> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
>> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
>> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
>> information on their website or through social media channels.
>> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
>> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
>> area.
>>
>> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
>> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>>
>> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine,
>> which covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and
>> culture. Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at
>> the magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times.
>> Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George
>> Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history
>> of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.
>>
>> Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a
>> geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and
>> artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of
>> data. Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in
>> various engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies,
>> including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.
>>
>> Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a
>> variety of projects related to computational modeling, artificial
>> intelligence, and machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at
>> Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex
>> systems and their applications to national security and other areas.
>>
>> Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in
>> various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer
>> at Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He is
>> currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts
>> to develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence
>> techniques to geospatial data.
>>
>> It's worth noting that while these individuals have been associated with
>> the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group at some point, their
>> involvement with the group may have changed over time, as the group's
>> membership is fluid and changes over time.
>>
>> Me: The Nicholas Thompson I mean was Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> at Clark University. Do you know his work, for example his paper
>> "Intentionality is the Mark of the Vital" ?
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. I was referring to a different
>> person with the same name, Nicholas Thompson, who is the Editor-in-Chief of
>> Wired Magazine.
>>
>> Regarding the Nicholas Thompson who is a Professor of Psychology and
>> Biology at Clark University, I am familiar with his work. Thompson is a
>> prominent researcher in the fields of cognitive neuroscience and philosophy
>> of mind. His paper "Intentionality is the Mark of the Mental" (not
>> "Intentionality is the Mark of the Vital," as I previously stated) is a
>> classic paper in the philosophy of mind, in which he argues that
>> intentionality, or the capacity of mental states to represent or be about
>> things, is a key characteristic of the mental.
>>
>> Thompson has made important contributions to the study of neural
>> processes involved in perception, attention, and consciousness. He has also
>> written on the relationship between neuroscience and philosophy, arguing
>> for a "naturalized" approach to philosophy of mind that takes into account
>> empirical findings from neuroscience and related fields. Thompson's work is
>> highly regarded in both the philosophical and scientific communities, and
>> he has published extensively in both areas.
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
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