[FRIAM] Biospheres

[Steve Smith]

SG... so succinct with sufficient but not excess tangents, I bow to you!

And then I tangent again.  Your reference to Bannon's "help" with 
Biosphere I (aka earth/gaia/mother-earth) reminds me to offer up:

    American Dharma <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8804284/>

a documentary by Errol Flynn who is one of Bannon's heroes as a 
film-maker.  Bannon's adulation of Flynn gave Flynn great access to 
expose Bannon for what he is in a larger but not specifically snarky way 
than most Bannon hit-pieces.   Bannon pretty much shows all of his own 
colors in his own unprompted words in the film... Kinda like Trump at 
every one of his rallys, but with (slightly) less stakes.


On 3/1/24 1:30 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:04 AM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
>
>     Biosphere 2 near Tuscon was a similar, even more extreme
>     experiment to create a self-sustaining ecosystem. The experiment
>     was considered a failure and the whole center belongs now to the
>     University of Arizona.
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
>
>
> The creators of Biosphere II are from Santa Fe and still live here on 
> Synergia Ranch <https://synergiaranch.com/>.  I am in awe of what 
> their "Theater of All Possibilities" pulled off in the 60s through the 
> 90s and even today as a creative collective.  I highly recommend the 
> documentary Spaceship Earth 
> (https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/spaceship-earth) to give a more 
> sympathetic background compared to how they were crucified by the 
> press and later "screwed" by Steve Bannon brought in by Ed Bass to 
> make it more commercial.
>
> Note the great Howard Odum's point on the Wikipedia you linked:
>
>     " There was controversy when the public learned that the project
>     had allowed an injured member to leave and return, carrying new
>     material inside. The team claimed the only new supplies brought in
>     were plastic bags, but others accused them of bringing food and
>     other items. More criticism was raised when it was learned that,
>     likewise, the project injected oxygen in January 1993 to make up
>     for a failure in the balance of the system that resulted in the
>     amount of oxygen steadily declining.^[56]
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-56>  Some
>     thought that these criticisms ignored that Biosphere 2 was an
>     experiment where the unexpected would occur, adding to knowledge
>     of how complex ecologies develop and interact, not a demonstration
>     where everything was known in advance.^[57]
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-57> H. T.
>     Odum <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_T._Odum> noted: "The
>     management process during 1992–1993 using data to develop theory,
>     test it with simulation, and apply corrective actions was in the
>     best scientific tradition. Yet some journalists crucified the
>     management in the public press, treating the project as if it was
>     an Olympic contest to see how much could be done without opening
>     the doors".^[58]
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2#cite_note-58>"
>
>
> That all said, I understand the larger context in which you ask the 
> question and the difficulty of creating a self-sustaining ecosystem 
> (and social system). BTW, I think we learned as much about social 
> systems as ecosystems with Biosphere II to help us with Biosphere I 
> with all the Steve Bannon's running around :-)
>
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