[FRIAM] death by ubiquity

[Marcus Daniels]

This crazy, wish I was..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5922985/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 1:36 PM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity

I feel like what we really need are wet computers <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_computing> ... we have all this peri-computation going on around us all over the place, in cells, chemistry, protein morphogenesis, etc. But we're just so ignorant and ham-handed w.r.t. that computation, we have to plow it down and and pave it over with our own conception of computing ... like some myopic 18th century biological control strategy.

I mean... I guess we're getting there. But. It's. Soooo. Sloooow.

On 3/28/24 12:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Way offshore in some cases, but also deep.   Maybe the underwater mass could help hold the platform in place?
> 
> https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection <https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection>
> 
> The moon idea reminds me of this center:
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center>
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM
> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
> 
> Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with the aliens that live over there. The best thing about coral is you don't have to negotiate for their "land". You can just take it and let them die like the stupid little creatures they are.
> 
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html <https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html>
> 
> On 3/28/24 10:17, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> It's not really my thing, but I noticed there were several very large exhibits at Supercomputing 23 for cooling technology.   Even immersive cooling solutions.  I think that could be improved a lot.   Without superconducting processors, I don't see how energy use can be dramatically reduced though.  For that there will just need to be new generation.    Could put these near large off short windfarms..
>> 
>> https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/ <https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/>
>> 
>> I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow coerced displacement.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
>> 
>> Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt.
>> 
>> In the Gaza kerfuffle, I've heard some describe coerced displacement as "genocide". I guess the more reasonble term is ethnic cleansing. The settlers seem mostly fine with their ethnic cleansing agenda. But, by analogy, how would we describe the coercive adaptation put upon a region by a massive water-sucking data center? Biology cleansing? If there really were an AI, would they worry about the forced displacement caused by their silicon incubators? ... or maybe "incubator" isn't a good word. How about "galls": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall> Yeah, that might be a good analogy. The machines are parasitic. They hijack the iDNA (information generators) of the local biology to form galls within which they grow and thrive.
>> 
>> On 3/28/24 07:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and on renewable power generation near data centers.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM
>>> To: friam at redfish.com
>>> Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity
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>>>
>>> As we frivolously replace meatspace conversation with obsequious chatbots, the world burns.
>>>
>>> The industry more damaging to the environment than airlines https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/ <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/>
>>>
>>> https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool <https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool>
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