<div dir="auto">I read Kant's "Prolegomena to any Future Metaphysics" as a sophomore philosophy major but I don't claim to be a philosopher.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">----<br>Frank Wimberly<br><br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly">www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br><br><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br><br>Phone (505) 670-9918</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 2:16 PM Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>





<div><div style="font-family:Arial">Hi Nick,<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">I write this from Kloster Irsee, Bavaria. A beautiful, mostly restored old monastery that was a THE civil authority in the Middle Ages with about 20  villages and 3K tax paying villagers. Also an "insane asylum" and a minor part of Hitler's extermination program — about 2,000 inmates transported for death or killed on site. Of course now it is a conference center and I am attending EuroPLoP. >From here to Istanbul then Amsterdam, then home at end of July.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">I know a philosopher, mostly his expertise is in Asian Philosophy but he did read Kant's Critique in high school and is quite familiar with most of the postmodernists (read Lacan, but not in Paris).<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">1) He, and I, pretty much equate ontology with metaphysics - differentiation of "Reality" into discrete entities and giving each a name — plus, very importantly, stating which named things are "real" and which are not. E.g. Atoms are 'real', unicorns are not. BTW, "pure mathematics is not metaphysically 'real' in this context.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">2) Harman uses the label "object" for those entities that are both differentiated and 'real'. He expressly imbues his own conception of objects with the sense/quality of that from object oriented programming (circa Alan Kay, but not since then) because both are differentiated on the basis of behavior— how they act, what they do.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">3) Absent a shared ontology - discussion becomes difficult if not real. Harman makes this point with regard politics, "fake news" and Trump.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">4) A lack of shared ontology is what doomed object-oriented programming. One side, always a minority, deemed that only those objects defined by their behavior were 'real'. The other side deemed only those objects reduced to data structures or aggregates of op-codes were 'real'.  A generalization, mostly accurate, one-side believed that only that within the computer was 'real' the other only that outside the computer was real. Objects were supposed to provide a share vocabulary — a shared ontology — that bridged that gap. Didn't happen.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">5) I am interested in ontology on two fronts: one, pragmatic, how an "ontology tool" would facilitate the design and development of "natural systems" — defined as the antithesis of the "artificial systems" built by computer scientists, software engineers, IT professionals et. al,, the past fifty years; and two, the possibility of an ontology for the mystical and/or "altered states of consciousness."<br></div>
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<div>On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Ah, David.  It WAS you.  I might have known.  (};-/)</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Has anybody else read it?</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">I guess one question I might have concerns any relation between Object Oriented Ontology and Object Oriented Programming.  Harman, disclaims much of a relation (pp 10-11), but I’m betting you see one, and even that it’s important to you. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">I am also wondering, as I have often done, what you experts make of the word “ontology.”  I have no idea what it means.  Never have.   It is a deeply philosophical word yet some philosophically skeptical computer folks that I know (<i>ahem, ahem*</i>) seem to use it.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Where are you David?  Are you “in country” or did we lose you to Europe?  Have you become a Eurokid?  Are you reading Lacan and sipping espresso in the shade of the plane trees <i>en la Place de la Sorbonne.</i></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><i><span class="m_12890316744365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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><b><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> Friam [mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Object Oriented Ontology</span></span></span></span></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Twas I that brought the book to your attention and I have read it twice and am using it as a foundation for writing a chapter in my Natural Systems Design book.</span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Happy to discuss and perhaps answer some of your questions and help you find the path through the forest.</span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt">On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:</span></span><br></p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Dear Colleagues,</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">One of you [wretches], assigned me <a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue" href="https://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Ontology-New-Theory-Everything/dp/0241269156/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530754578&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=Graham+Harmon+Object+Oriented" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">this book</span></a> for a little light summer reading before I left SF in March.  It was a seductive assignment.  In the first place, the book is a little book.  I LIKE little books.  Cheap and easy to carry.  In the second place, as I read around in it, I see echoes of Peirce in its monism and realism and fascination with metaphors (aka “signs”?).  Every chapter begins in an ingratiating introduction that gives promise of progress in the rational construction of a complex idea. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">There my praise ends.  I have started all the chapters with the greatest of good will and have gotten thoroughly lost in every one. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">I deeply suspect that whichever one of you [wretches] who assigned it to me has never read it from cover to cover. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">SO:    Will you now do that with me?  And will others join?  It would be best if we could snare a few philosophers to join us because the author does seem to be rather deeply into philosophy, both post modern and the other kind. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">It’s hard to believe that it has <i>nothing</i> to do with object oriented programing, but it may not.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Fess up!</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">NIck</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt">Clark University</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="m_1289031674436572930font" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_1289031674436572930size" style="font-size:11pt"><a style="text-decoration:underline;color:blue" href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span class="m_1289031674436572930colour"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