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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ah, David. It WAS you. I might have known. (};-/) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Has anybody else read it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I guess one question I might have concerns any relation between Object Oriented Ontology and Object Oriented Programming. Harman, disclaims much of a relation (pp 10-11), but I’m betting you see one, and even that it’s important to you. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am also wondering, as I have often done, what you experts make of the word “ontology.” I have no idea what it means. Never have. It is a deeply philosophical word yet some philosophically skeptical computer folks that I know (<i>ahem, ahem*</i>) seem to use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Where are you David? Are you “in country” or did we lose you to Europe? Have you become a Eurokid? Are you reading Lacan and sipping espresso in the shade of the plane trees <i>en la Place de la Sorbonne.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Great to be in touch!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nick <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>*Who am I to cast the first stone, Owen?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nicholas S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Clark University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 05, 2018 2:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Object Oriented Ontology<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Twas I that brought the book to your attention and I have read it twice and am using it as a foundation for writing a chapter in my Natural Systems Design book.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Happy to discuss and perhaps answer some of your questions and help you find the path through the forest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>davew<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear Colleagues,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>One of you [wretches], assigned me <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Ontology-New-Theory-Everything/dp/0241269156/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530754578&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=Graham+Harmon+Object+Oriented"><span style='color:#0563C1'>this book</span></a> for a little light summer reading before I left SF in March. It was a seductive assignment. In the first place, the book is a little book. I LIKE little books. Cheap and easy to carry. In the second place, as I read around in it, I see echoes of Peirce in its monism and realism and fascination with metaphors (aka “signs”?). Every chapter begins in an ingratiating introduction that gives promise of progress in the rational construction of a complex idea. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>There my praise ends. I have started all the chapters with the greatest of good will and have gotten thoroughly lost in every one. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I deeply suspect that whichever one of you [wretches] who assigned it to me has never read it from cover to cover. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>SO: Will you now do that with me? And will others join? It would be best if we could snare a few philosophers to join us because the author does seem to be rather deeply into philosophy, both post modern and the other kind. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It’s hard to believe that it has <i>nothing</i> to do with object oriented programing, but it may not.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Fess up!</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>NIck</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Clark University</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>============================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a> by Dr. Strangelove<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>