<div dir="ltr">I've not been involved in lists like this one before. It seems a lot like a family in certain respects. It is a weird mix of complexity folks (its charter), those associated with the complexity and high-tech community that sprouted up around Santa Fe / SFI / LANL / BiosGroup. It has some really smart people who are not snobbish or arrogant, as evidenced by the fact that nobody has asked either of us to leave :-) To me, it has largely been a way to stay in touch with a few people I got to know during my decade in Santa Fe, and vicariously be part of that community. I hope it manages to somehow stay together.<div><br></div><div>Gil, if I still lived in the area, I'd gladly be your gym partner. But that would be tough from Ecuador. My main words of encouragement to you would be to please don't stop trying. We all have our share of frustrations in life, but don't let them drag you down to the point that you miss all the good things around you. Go for walks (even if you have to by yourself sometimes) and enjoy the sunrises and sunsets. Santa Fe is incredibly beautiful, and I envy your still living there.</div><div><br></div><div>Peace</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Gillian Densmore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com" target="_blank">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">lol well said Gary, on my end anyway I get SOME traffic, I don't know when exactly it started to really dry out on my end anyway. Possibly 3-4 weeks ago was when I really noticed. <div>I know on my my end to get any ones opinions or advice on or even just to say a friendly hello, it seems like I need to do so many times--That comes off as rude. I want to be wrong in that case and I want it to be a technical problem. It'd really suck if it's because people are leaving what used to be a pretty vibrant list.</div><div>As a concrete example I've seen nick thompson need to ask a few times just for advice on firefox.</div><div>Yesterday and today because I really want to pick up the pace on making friends, and finding stuff I'd enjoy doing and even getting a new set of resume and job helpers. </div><div>I don't expect instant response lol but even a simple: Oh I'm sorry Gil I (or we)simply don't know! or friendly ribbing goes a long away to kind of assure people oh, it's not actually dead quite yet-</div><div>lol but you might be right that it's turning into that infamous Norwegian blue lol</div><div><br></div><div>Preffering as I said in another email to be a open book or just open about questions, curiosities or what ever just ask.</div><div><br></div><div>That leads to the awkward question then: If people are leaving and or it's a technical problem, Anyone know how do-able it is to give either the current list a fresh coat of paint or somehow smoothly transition into a general fun witty bantery type of list. As I have no clue how email lists get set up and going "just" may simply a petty heafty task ^_^</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Gary Schiltz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gary@naturesvisualarts.com" target="_blank">gary@naturesvisualarts.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">(Resisting the temptation of repeating the "dead parrot" skit from Monty Python)<div><br></div><div>I've gotten a lot of FRIAM postings from Nick, Frank, Marcus, and Glen lately about philosophy regarding belief and doubt, so it doesn't appear to be dead. However, it doesn't seem to be getting officially archived any more, which is a shame. I believe Glen said that he keeps all emails, so he probably could be tapped to supply the missing posts should anyone decide to resurrect the archive by combining the old archive (from <a href="http://web.archive.org" target="_blank">web.archive.org</a>) with Glen's posts. So far, nobody has stepped up.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com" target="_blank">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Simple question:<div>Is the FRIAM list now basically dead? It seems like the previus witty banter is now MIA, hardly anyone posts or reads it anymore, Edd and possibly others complain it's not (THING HERE).</div><div><br></div><div>So is this list now dead and or MIA?</div><div><br></div><div>Does that mean someone needs to start a new one?</div></div>
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