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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Dave, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I was just making the banal philosophical point that the validator of our senses can only be our senses. So a hunch “about the world” is nothing more than a hunch about future experiences of the world. As Harmon would say, we can never touch the noumenal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nicholas S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Clark University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Perhaps one could argue that the studiously acquired lens that allows one to think about the detailed mechanisms of a computer program is not helpful, nor anywhere close to correct and is not an efficient way to reason about the world outside the computer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I accept there are some default lenses, but of course one develops more specific and different lenses to see the world too. I’m arguing that the default lens is not helpful as well as not anywhere close to correct. It is not an efficient way to reason about the detailed mechanisms of a computer program.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=colour><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>></span></span><span style='color:black'><br><span class=colour><b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=colour><b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 1:05 PM</span><br><span class=colour><b>To: </b>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=colour><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Marcus,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>But it’s models all the way down, right? </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Furthermore, even for a dualist, your “biology” is the lens through which you see the world. So, the idea that there is a world out there against which we can measure our representations of It is just silly, right? All we have is representations of representations. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>That is what OOO seems to challenge, but I am hoping to save that conversation for when we can read Harmon together. Right now I am just trying to get a grip on what you mean by coop. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>N</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'>Clark University</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span class=colour><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam [<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><span class=size><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:49 AM</span><br><span class=size><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=size><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nick,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If I were programming in <a href="http://cidarlab.org/cello/">Cello</a>, then actual constraints of biology would influence me. If I were programming an agent simulation for a system biology modeling project, what I understood about biology would go into that.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>But not all kinds of programming would be influenced by biology. Programming language features for typing or genericity are precise mathematical instruments that are best to understand on their own, without any vague or grandiose metaphors.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Also, I would discriminate between programming and computation. There are many kinds of computation that would be interesting to consider separate from programming. (Although `programming’ to me already has a broader meaning than it does for some.)</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Marcus</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=colour><b><span style='color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='color:black'>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>></span></span><span style='color:black'><br><span class=colour><b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=colour><b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 8:32 AM</span><br><span class=colour><b>To: </b>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=colour><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Well, it goes without saying, doesn’t it, that it’s your current IDEAS of biology that influence your programming, not biology itself, right? And your biologiized ideas of programming then influence your notion of the cell. We never really know clouds themselves. So to speak. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>N</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Clark University</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span class=colour><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1'><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam [<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><span class=size><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:01 AM</span><br><span class=size><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span class=size><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span class=font><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>"</span></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Like with the Great Man Theory, the actual causes of any phenomena in a complex and complicated system like Xerox Parc (embedded in culture, society, psychology, physiology, biology, chemistry, etc.) are multifarious and occult."</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=font><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Assuming there even was a Great Idea to go with a Great Man. For starters..</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=font><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://medium.com/@cscalfani/goodbye-object-oriented-programming-a59cda4c0e53">https://medium.com/@cscalfani/goodbye-object-oriented-programming-a59cda4c0e53</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html">http://www.stlport.org/resources/StepanovUSA.html</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentsAgainstOop" title="Ctrl+Click or tap to follow the link">http://wiki.c2.com/?ArgumentsAgainstOop<br></a><a href="https://content.pivotal.io/blog/all-evidence-points-to-oop-being-bullshit">https://content.pivotal.io/blog/all-evidence-points-to-oop-being-bullshit</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b></span><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>></span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><br><span class=size><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:22:17 AM</span><br><span class=size><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group</span><br><span class=size><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=size><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Of course it's reasonable for you to dissent! But over and above the most important example Marcus raises of biology (because *everything* is biology 8^), even your historical account is a litany of WHAT, not WHY. </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br><span class=size>Sure it may seem like you're examining the why of these artifacts. But you're not. Why questions are always metaphysical. What you're actually doing in your list and analysis of past events is inferring the WHY from the WHAT. And your inferences, no matter how good you are at inferring, will always just be your best guess at WHY. </span><br><br><span class=size>Like with the Great Man Theory, the actual causes of any phenomena in a complex and complicated system like Xerox Parc (embedded in culture, society, psychology, physiology, biology, chemistry, etc.) are multifarious and occult. No oversimplified *narrative* like yours will fully circumscribe those causes. To think otherwise is to fool oneself into false belief ... a kind of faith-based world view.</span><br><br><br><span class=size>On July 19, 2018 3:01:57 AM PDT, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span class=size>>"The IDEA of Smalltalk derived from the IDEA of Simula; the philosophy</span><br><span class=size>>and ideas of Englebart, Bush, Sutherland; the metaphor of cellular</span><br><span class=size>>biology, and undoubtedly more. Alan Kay coalesced those influences and</span><br><span class=size>>led the team that implemented the team that actually created the</span><br><span class=size>>language at Xerox PARC."</span><br><span class=size>></span><br><span class=size>>For example, I don't see analogs of cytokines, hormones, or</span><br><span class=size>>neurotransmitters in Smalltalk or any computing systems today. The</span><br><span class=size>>closest that comes to mind are functional reactive programming systems,</span><br><span class=size>>e.g. game platforms tied to a physics engine. </span><br><span class=size>>The idea that top-down intent matters is preposterous if the motivation</span><br><span class=size>>is biology, a massively-parallel bottom-up phenomena that involves</span><br><span class=size>>physical stuff.</span><br><br><br><span class=size>-- </span><br><span class=size>glen</span><br><br><span class=size>============================================================</span><br><span class=size>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv</span><br><span class=size>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College</span><br><span class=size>to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a></span><br><span class=size>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> by Dr. Strangelove</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>============================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> by Dr. Strangelove<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>