<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px">Owen, what program is it that you use to give that nice hierarchical display of used space?</span><br class="gmail-" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="m_-1551108349121665260AppleOriginalContents" style="direction:ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1551108349121665260Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">(I gotta stop, I'm on a roll here. but...)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Here's an example of the hierarchical storage on my laptop:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div><span class="m_-1551108349121665260AppleTemporaryEditingElement" id="m_-1551108349121665260cid:ii_jo35kafx0"><Snap.11.04.18-10.28.17.jpg></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>The top level lets me know that "Users" is where to look. On unix systems that is the set of user accounts, which in this case has only me but often has temporary accounts I create for hacking in a "clean" environment. OK so yup, I'm it. So diving in, I see over 85GB (Music, Movies, Pictures) are better kept in the cloud and I should "empty the trash) getting me over 95GB. Wow! </div><div><br></div><div>I only have around 7GB on Dropbox .. i.e. code and docs I create. Here is where Github does have some impact, I can kill off all those repositories and simply depend on Github for archival storage.</div><div><br></div><div>This does ping my brain on one issue: document storage other than mine: ebooks, talks, tutorials etc. Last time I did this I found 10GB or so of these, to my surprise, so I shuffled them off to archival storage, keeping only active ones available.</div><div><br></div><div> -- Owen</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:24 AM Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Oh, forgot: one of the "surprises" had to do with email. Even tho I use gmail, which keeps all the email in the cloud, the mail *clients* (apps that interface with the email on the server) often store a huge amount of my email in a local "cache". We're talking 10s of GBs.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Try running one of these storage hierarchy apps and let us know what you find.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'd recommend using a program that tells you where all the storage goes to.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">My OS has a simple facility that tells me I have 75GB left out of 250GB SSD drive on my laptop. That's OK but prompts me to run a finer grain program that tells me what my folder hierarchies contain. It good in that it tells me the total storage of each top-most folder, then dives into each of them, recursively telling how much each of the second, third, etc level folder contains.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Doing this is constantly surprising! For example, I found that my photos and music were well over 10GB. And that my programming libraries (./node-modules) were absolutely out of control. And many apps and system tools have huge "caches" of files.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">My solution is to use DropBox, a cloud storage and sync (sync == keep the files synchronized over my various computers, tablets and phone). Syncing can actually cause a huge *increase* in storage, but DB has a simple setting that tells it to just use the cloud version, thus turning into a fairly easily managed system.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">DB also lets me share files with others easily, so for example I can share a model/simulation I'm working on with others. Github also solves this sort of storage but I think isn't germane here. Google Docs might, however.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So I developed a simple approach to DB: any keystroke I make ends up there: i.e. all docs I create is on DB. Photos, no .. I take the pictures but don't edit them .. i.e. add/subtract bits, thus they do not fall under the DB range, just backup.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">DB isn't cheap .. it starts out free for up to 6 GB but its first paid level is $100/year for 1TB. And it hasn't got all the features I need. But so far is the best for me.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I find that my cog load for my own docs is around 20GB so am happy with cloud storage for all the rest. And actually, a lot of my cloud storage is a form of backup.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Do you have a similar situation? I realize storage is "domain specific".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> -- Owen</div></div>
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