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<p>In response to this point as well as Marcus', I think that the
concept of "becoming"... in this case "becoming an adult" is
fascinating in the sense that it is something hard to reverse.
"Innocence is a terrible thing to lose", yet our attempt to raise
our children (and/or ourselves) up to be "adults" seems to
involve, require, or at least suggest a loss of innocence. <br>
</p>
<p>I don't know if this is PoMo or PoPoMo, but the coining of a term
like "adulting" seems to try to relieve this a bit. The
definition I found implied "taking up (some of?) the features
normally associated with being an adult". This seems to relieve
some of the tension with remaining "innocent" while "ripening"?</p>
<p>I'm first reader on a memoir right now and the forward used the
term "re-invention" and I brought up with the author the contrast
of that term with "re-discovery" as much of the material seemed to
be reflections on the way she came to recognize or remember things
she probably always knew but in her attempt to "be an adult"
managed to forget or push down, at least temporarily.<br>
</p>
<p>Thanks to Gil for stimulating another interesting opportunity for
reflection.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/13/18 10:55 PM, Nick Thompson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Sorry,
all. I meant this also to go to the list. See below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Frank,
this etymology seems wildly improbable. Do you think you
might try it on your Latin scholar and see what she thinks.
I suppose the two words could have converged in time. But I
am awfully tempted by the notion of an adult as one who
lacks innocence. On the other hand, the notion of a child
as innocent sounds terrible Rousseau. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">It’s
a hairball. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Is
the on-line etymology site reliable? I have been using it
for years and sometimes the results are a bit bizarre. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Nick
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Nicholas
S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366">Clark
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Nick Thompson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net">mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 13, 2018 9:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Frank Wimberly' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"><wimberly3@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [FRIAM] Pondering the slang Adulting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
online etymological dictionary seems to suggest that there
are two quite different sources for adult and adulterate.
Seems unlike, but there it is: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:24.0pt">adult (adj.)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1530s
(but not common until mid-17c.) "grown, mature," from Latin
adultus "grown up, mature, adult, ripe," past participle of
adolescere "grow up, come to maturity, ripen," from ad "to"
(see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/ad-?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">ad-</a>) + alescere "be nourished,"
hence, "increase, grow up," inchoative of alere "to nourish,"
from a suffixed form of PIE root <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/*al-?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_52550"
moz-do-not-send="true">*al-</a> (2) "to grow, nourish." <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Meaning
"mature in attitude or outlook" is from 1929. As a euphemism
for "pornographic," it dates to 1958 and does no honor to the
word. In the old British film-rating system, A indicated
"suitable for exhibit to adult audiences," and thus,
implicitly, unsuitable for children (1914).<o:p></o:p></p>
<h1>adultery (n.)<o:p></o:p></h1>
<p>"voluntary violation of the marriage bed," c. 1300, <span
class="foreign">avoutrie</span>, from Old French <span
class="foreign">avouterie</span> (12c., later <span
class="foreign">adulterie</span>, Modern French <span
class="foreign">adultĕre</span>), noun of condition from <span
class="foreign">avoutre</span>, from Latin <span
class="foreign">adulterare</span> "commit adultery;
corrupt," from <span class="foreign">ad</span> "to" (see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/ad-?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">ad-</a>) + <span class="foreign">alterare</span>
"to alter" (see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/alter?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">alter</a>). Compare <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/adulteration?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">adulteration</a>. The spelling was
corrected toward Latin from early 15c. in English, following
French (see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/ad-?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">ad-</a>). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In Middle English, also "sex between husband and wife for
recreational purposes; idolatry, perversion, heresy." As a
crime, formerly classified as <span class="foreign">single
adultery</span> (with an unmarried person) and <span
class="foreign">double adultery</span> (with a married
person). The Old English word was <span class="foreign">æwbryce</span>
"breach of law(ful marriage)" (similar formation in German <span
class="foreign">Ehebruch</span>). In translations of the 7th
Commandment it is understood to mean "lewdness or unchastity"
of any kind, in act or thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nicholas
S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Clark
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Frank Wimberly [<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thompson, Nicholas <<a
href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Pondering the slang Adulting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Written with tongue in cheek:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Adulthood usually involves
unadulterated avoidance of infantile and adolescent
(recapitulates infancy) themes such as adultery (Oedipal)
which frequently appear in adult movies, so-called because
they are ill-advised for viewing by children who should
know that there is hope of escaping the, to them,
terrifying universal sexual dramas.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-----------------------------------<br>
Frank Wimberly<br>
<br>
My memoir:<br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br>
<br>
My scientific publications:<br>
<a
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br>
<br>
Phone (505) 670-9918<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 8:38 PM Nick
Thompson <<a
href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
have often mused about trying to explain to a
child what “adult” means, given</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adulthood</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adulterate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adult
movies</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adultery</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">N</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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align="right"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nicholas
S. Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Clark
University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Friam [mailto:<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gillian Densmore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 13, 2018 4:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] Pondering the slang
Adulting</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
got to talking with dad today and I hadn't
though about how the slang adulting might have
come about. My guess was in the sense of 'going
off to be a' if you have a playful personality <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
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