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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking as a utilitarian, what bothers me is that entanglement should be impossible. It says something about the fabric of space time that should be impossible.
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is not impossible, then there must be some exploitable properties of the universe that need to be investigated because they could be very valuable to exploit them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just being content with math that works seems like a failure of imagination.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Roger Critchlow <rec@elf.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] two books<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just finished reading Philip Ball's <b><i>Beyond Weird, Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Quantum Physics is Different</i></b>, and while he doesn't really deliver on the book's subtitle, he does a very good job of laying out
the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics, and its discontents, and the later attempts to reformulate the question.
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<p class="MsoNormal">As one who learned quantum mechanics as a chemist, I have to say that the lack of reality that bothers the physicists never really bothers me. I don't really care how an electron spreads itself in space to create a wave function. I get
electron densities from the wave function magnitudes, which serve to glue together nuclei of different elements into molecules, and changes of electron densities, which allow reactions to happen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:02 AM Ron Newman <<a href="mailto:ron.newman@gmail.com" target="_blank">ron.newman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And what's your view of "What is Real?", by Adam Becker? I'm thinking of having a look at it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#666666">Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#666666">Partner, <a href="http://newman.caditz.us" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#666666">Founder, </span><a href="http://www.Ideatreelive.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">IdeaTreeLive.com</span></a> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#666666">Knowledge Modeling</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:40 AM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We decided that The Road to Reality was unreadable because it's neither here nor there. It was very Advanced without being mathematical enough. Kind of like a long badly written Scientific American article.<br>
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To make a long story short, we finally read Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity by John Baez more or less successfully. The first part of the book covers manifolds, differential forms and, in general, the math you need for general relativity and quantum field
theory. If you want another opinion ask Jon Zingale or Barry Mackichan. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or travel back in time and ask Hywel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Frank Wimberly<br>
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My memoir:<br>
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My scientific publications:<br>
<a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br>
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Phone (505) 670-9918<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 11:21 PM Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Dave, <br>
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Missed this note the first time. Frank and Hywel had a go at this a couple<br>
of years ago, and I bought the book and tried to join them. Whew! It was<br>
at that point I gave up on the notion that I could read anything if I tried<br>
hard enough. Hywel has since died, but I think there was at least one other<br>
person involved, who, with Frank, might be able to give you some guidance. <br>
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Nick <br>
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Nicholas S. Thompson<br>
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<br>
Clark University<br>
<a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/" target="_blank">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</a><br>
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From: Friam [mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] On Behalf Of Prof David West<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:26 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
Subject: [FRIAM] two books<br>
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I just finished reading What is Real? by Adam Becker. A straightforward<br>
discussion of Quantum Physics and the "Copenhagen Interpretation," and the<br>
arguments surrounding it. it offers an indirect but scathing study of how<br>
science is really done and how far the practice of science is from the ideal<br>
of a "scientific method." Also an interesting discussion of the relationship<br>
between 'science' and 'phi8losophy'. Might be of interest to several<br>
FRIAMers.<br>
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Starting to read Roger Penrose's, The Road to Reality: a complete guide tot<br>
he laws of the universe. I would really like some advice / comments from the<br>
mathematicians in the community as to the value of the book and the likely<br>
hood that I might gain sufficient understanding of manifolds, symmetry<br>
groups, etc. etc. to understand some of the conversations on the list and at<br>
the mother church.<br>
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dave west<br>
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