<div dir="ltr">I just finished reading Philip Ball's <i><b>Beyond Weird, Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Quantum Physics is Different</b></i>, and while he doesn't really deliver on the book's subtitle, he does a very good job of laying out the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics, and its discontents, and the later attempts to reformulate the question.<div><br><div>As one who learned quantum mechanics as a chemist, I have to say that the lack of reality that bothers the physicists never really bothers me. I don't really care how an electron spreads itself in space to create a wave function. I get electron densities from the wave function magnitudes, which serve to glue together nuclei of different elements into molecules, and changes of electron densities, which allow reactions to happen. </div></div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:02 AM Ron Newman <<a href="mailto:ron.newman@gmail.com" target="_blank">ron.newman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Frank,<div>And what's your view of "What is Real?", by Adam Becker? I'm thinking of having a look at it.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_3821768877118436055m_4819061554392133977gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><font color="#666666">Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E.</font></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><font color="#666666">Partner, <a href="http://newman.caditz.us" target="_blank">Caditz-Newman</a></font></font><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:x-small">, Smart Infrastructure for Autonomous Vehicles</span></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><font color="#666666">Founder, </font></font><a href="http://www.Ideatreelive.com" style="font-size:x-small" target="_blank">IdeaTreeLive.com</a> <span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:x-small">Knowledge Modeling</span></div><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="1"><a href="https://www.ronnewmanpiano.com" target="_blank">Piano</a></font></div><div><font size="1"><a href="https://blog.ideatreelive.com" target="_blank">Blog</a></font></div><div><font size="1"><font color="#666666"><br></font></font><br><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:40 AM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">We decided that The Road to Reality was unreadable because it's neither here nor there. It was very Advanced without being mathematical enough. Kind of like a long badly written Scientific American article.<br><br>To make a long story short, we finally read Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity by John Baez more or less successfully. The first part of the book covers manifolds, differential forms and, in general, the math you need for general relativity and quantum field theory. If you want another opinion ask Jon Zingale or Barry Mackichan.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Or travel back in time and ask Hywel.<br><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">-----------------------------------<br>Frank Wimberly<br><br>My memoir:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br><br>My scientific publications:<br><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br><br>Phone (505) 670-9918</div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 11:21 PM Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi, Dave, <br>
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Missed this note the first time. Frank and Hywel had a go at this a couple<br>
of years ago, and I bought the book and tried to join them. Whew! It was<br>
at that point I gave up on the notion that I could read anything if I tried<br>
hard enough. Hywel has since died, but I think there was at least one other<br>
person involved, who, with Frank, might be able to give you some guidance. <br>
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Nick <br>
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Nicholas S. Thompson<br>
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<br>
Clark University<br>
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I just finished reading What is Real? by Adam Becker. A straightforward<br>
discussion of Quantum Physics and the "Copenhagen Interpretation," and the<br>
arguments surrounding it. it offers an indirect but scathing study of how<br>
science is really done and how far the practice of science is from the ideal<br>
of a "scientific method." Also an interesting discussion of the relationship<br>
between 'science' and 'phi8losophy'. Might be of interest to several<br>
FRIAMers.<br>
<br>
Starting to read Roger Penrose's, The Road to Reality: a complete guide tot<br>
he laws of the universe. I would really like some advice / comments from the<br>
mathematicians in the community as to the value of the book and the likely<br>
hood that I might gain sufficient understanding of manifolds, symmetry<br>
groups, etc. etc. to understand some of the conversations on the list and at<br>
the mother church.<br>
<br>
dave west<br>
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