<div dir="auto">p.s. I have wondered if the polarization we see goes back to the razor-thin Kennedy victory in 1960. Republicans were very unhappy and resented the Johnson administration. Eventually Nixon was president but Watergate was a disaster. They wanted revenge. To make a long story short, now Democrats investigate Republicans and vice versa leading to a cycles of retaliation. Is history professor John Dobson on the List?<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">-----------------------------------<br>Frank Wimberly<br><br>My memoir:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br><br>My scientific publications:<br><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br><br>Phone (505) 670-9918</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 4:53 PM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com">wimberly3@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Maybe an experiment that leads to a horrible results makes society (voters) decide, "We don't want to do that again".<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">-----------------------------------<br>Frank Wimberly<br><br>My memoir:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br><br>My scientific publications:<br><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br><br>Phone (505) 670-9918</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 4:48 PM Ron Newman <<a href="mailto:ron.newman@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ron.newman@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Stepping back to 40,000 ft. for a second...</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">'[Morality] is an evolutionary process in which societies constantly perform experiments, and whether or not those experiments succeed determines which cultural ideas and moral precepts propagate into the future.' If so, he says, then a theory that rigorously explains how coevolutionary systems are driven to the edge of chaos might tell us a lot about cultural dynamics, and how societies reach that elusive, ever-changing balance between freedom and control.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">'Witness the collapse of communism in the former Soviet Union...the whole situation seems all too reminiscent of the power-law distribution of stability and upheaval at the edge of chaos. 'When you think of it', he says, 'the Cold War was one of these long periods where mot much changed...But now that period of stability is ending...in the models, once you get out of one of these metastable periods, you get into one of these chaotic periods where a lot of change happens..It's much more sensitive now to initial conditions.'</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">'So what's the right course of action?' he asks. 'I don't know, except that this is like punctuated equilibrium in evolutionary history. It doesn't happen without a great deal of extinction. And it's not necessarily a step for the better. There are models where the species that dominate in the stable period after the upheaval may be less fit than the species that dominated beforehand.'</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">'And now suppose it's really true that coevolving, complex systems get themselves to the edge of chaos...if we imagine that this really carries over into economic systems, then it's a state where technologies come into existence and replace others, et cetera. But if this is true, it means that the edge of chaos is, on average, the best that we can do...You can go extinct, or broke. But here we are on the edge of chaos because that's where, on average, we all do the best.'</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>- Doyne Farmer, Chris Langton, and Stuart Kauffman, in that order, quoted in "Complexity", M. Mitchell Waldrop, p. 319-322.</div><div><br></div><div>I wrote a layman's blog post on a similar idea, "On the Importance of Idiots", speculating that societal chaos might be moving the solution space out of local minima into novel areas in the solution space, and that the process might be solving for long-term resiliency of the system as a whole, in opposition to short-term sanity. I did filter it through Norm Johnson at SFI to remove egregious errors, but make no claim for completeness or rigor:</div><div><a href="https://blog.ideatreelive.com/?p=481" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.ideatreelive.com/?p=481</a><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="m_8975319561355215530m_8394093282526945955gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><font color="#666666">Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E.</font></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="1"><font color="#666666">Founder, </font></font><a href="http://www.Ideatreelive.com" style="font-size:x-small" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">IdeaTreeLive.com</a> <span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:x-small">Knowledge Modeling</span></div><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="1"><a href="https://www.ronnewmanpiano.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Piano</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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