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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Well, right, Steve. Is it fair to say that, to some extent, you have "cultivated" dreaming? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I guess that's all I mean to say. I decided not to dream much. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>By the way, may I unfairly take you to task about one thing you said. And I quote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>rational/linear modes of thinking/being,<o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>There is nothing linear about rational thought. It is intensely hierarchical. It is its hieararchical nature, not it’s linearity, that leads it astray. Because one is working in one compartment, one misses things that would be obvious to people working in a less compartmentalized way. This reminds me of the mis use of the “learning curve” metaphor. People speak of a steep learning curve as something to be feared. In fact, people who learn quickly have a steep learning curve. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Your friendly metaphor police at your service, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nicholas S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith<br>Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 12:11 PM<br>To: friam@redfish.com<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I have spent my life cultivating hypnopompic and hypnogogic states... this, which supports lucid dreaming, is my best way to access mystical states... mindfulness meditation, as I practice it, can lapse into these states if I allow it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I was put off by the drug-culture of my peers in the 60's/70's for many reasons, one might have included a strong steeping in rational/linear modes of thinking/being, in spite of an early discovery of and indulgence in lucid dreaming.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I know many who identify as "evening" or "morning" people, but there is evidence that before the industrial revolution brought ubiquitous artificial light (city gas or kerosene lamps, then electric lights, now flickering TV/computer/phone screens), "segmented sleep" was the standard. It was common (almost ubiquitous?) for people to go to sleep soon after dark and then wake in the middle of the night for an hour or two of wakefulness, referred to as "Dorvielle" in French Speaking cultures or "wake-sleep", a somewhat hypnotic state (perhaps a slow slide from hypnopompia to hypnogagia and back again?).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hot climates/cultures have an alternative "segmented sleep" wherein the heat of the day is reserved for a "siesta" with both evening and early morning reserved for taking care of business when it is cooler. I think of a siesta as being somewhat lighter and more lucid-dream conducive than "night sleep".<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>- Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 1/2/19 10:07 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> least for me. A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> psychedelic phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> deactivation. (<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20nickthompson@earthlink.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson@earthlink.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me. Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ============================================================<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> at St. John's College to unsubscribe <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> archives back to 2003: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a> by Dr. Strangelove<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>============================================================<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>archives back to 2003: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a> by Dr. Strangelove<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>