<div dir="auto">Perhaps Marcus already said this or something like it. You do dream you just want to ignore that fact because it's inconsistent with your assertion that minds don't exist. Also, a dichotomy can be true if you exclude the law of the excluded middle which constructivist mathematicians do and still derive the integers and the rational numbers.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am skeptical that Dave is Appolonian.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">-----------------------------------<br>Frank Wimberly<br><br>My memoir:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br><br>My scientific publications:<br><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br><br>Phone (505) 670-9918</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 11:15 AM Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Marcus, <br>
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Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right. So, that's a non-starter. I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for others to judge. I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's, but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming. I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at night to write down their dreams, etc., etc. They have a lot more experience of dreaming than I do. <br>
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By the way: how can a dichotomy be false? I can see that it might be "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please state>". But False. What means "false" in this context? <br>
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It's a false dichotomy. An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or spiritual sustenance. And of course your brain will do the dreaming that is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize its value. I guess you are just being absurd? <br>
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Did you ever see the movie Strange Days? Why should I jump out of an airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain? There's nothing real, after all.<br>
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On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Yeah. See. That's just the point. About 20 years ago, I decided that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore. So I don't. <br>
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Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people. <br>
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Nick <br>
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There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least for me. A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. (<br>
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On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me. Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?<br>
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