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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nick writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">“A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so annoying that other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?”
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sure, in that case the “mentally ill individual” may have failed to connect their actions with the consequences. Or maybe they wanted lodging in a psychiatric facility on the family dime -- probably a bad call if your name was Rosemary
Kennedy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson <nickthompson@earthlink.net><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 12:15 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Statistical poser (aka fact checking is hard)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Marcus, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Forgive me if I am entering this party late, but what exactly means “mental illness”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i>I would expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in this country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health insurance
to use to diagnose it. </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So, is a young person who hears voices, but who integrates those voices into a well-organized and effective life mentally ill? Is the homeless person who prefers to sleep on a subway grate than go into a shelter
mentally ill? I had a colleague once who famously checked himself into a mental hospital making a vague claim to hearing voices and then, once on the ward, behaved absolutely as he would have otherwise. His only aberrant behavior was that he constantly took
notes. Explaining that he was doing a study of the ward. When, after a few weeks, he got bored of it and tried to check himself out, he could not get out! He had to use his “fail-safe” (the chairman of his department, if I remember) to extract himself.
Was he mentally ill? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Is trump mentally Ill? WAS he mentally ill before he became president? Or was he promoted to his level of mental illness. (<a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Principle-Things-Always-Wrong/dp/0285631764">CF,
Peter Principle.)</a> (In a political hierarchy a politician will rise to his level of insanity.) (cf,
<i><a href="https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=All%20the%20kings%20men&index=blended&link_code=qs&sourceid=Mozilla-search&tag=mozilla-20">All the Kings Men</a></i>, a fabulous novel, by the way). Not clear to me how a libertarian of any stripe
can allow the concept of mental illness into a conversation. A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so annoying that other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nick </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nicholas S. Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Clark University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Marcus Daniels<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 02, 2019 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Statistical poser (aka fact checking is hard)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robert writes:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Estimates vary by source, but fraction of opioid deaths that are suicide is around 20-30%”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What I’d really like to know is how the fraction of opioid deaths occur with individuals that have no historical sign of mental illness at all, and would be described by their friends and colleagues as effective and engaged prior to their
initial prescription. I would expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in this country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health insurance to use to diagnose it.
I strongly suspect a structural cause of all this is the idea that free will exists, combined with the inevitable evolution of the economy toward more automation. Millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions of people, have what amounts to a mistaken
view of the world. Similar arguments apply to the ongoing outbursts of gun homicide (instead of suicide).
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>
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