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<body><blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT"">Why hast thou forsaken me?</span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nick</span></span><br></p></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Well, did you pay your tithes last month????<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">It is really kind of silly to think that one can either characterize oneself, or be characterized by others, as Dionysian or Apollonian. the concept has become so mucked up since Nietzsche used the notions to define tragedy (a folly of his youth). The absurd overlay / infusion of Islamo-Judeo-Christo morality delivered a death blow to the whole idea.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">In Greek Philosophy ones behavior (and thoughts if you want to allow such) were grounded in complex blend of the the two traits; and consequently everyone was "ambiguous" with regard to them. The intolerance of ambiguity among the People of the Book and most of Western culture, keeps trying to push for a two valued logic which is not useful.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">If you want to use the terms as metaphors, Apollonian vs. Dionysian could correspond to 1) cortex vs. amygdala; or 2) right-brain vs. left-brain. Everyone knows that any behavior is simultaneously grounded in both elements, but to an observer, including an internal one, any given behavior might seem to be predominantly influenced by one or the other.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">My claim to "Apollonian" is grounded in a long ago commitment to following the precepts of Jinyana (Jnana) Yoga. first in Vedic literature, the Buddhism and Taoism — Ch'an Buddhism --> Zen. I strive to make all of my behavior deliberate and intentional within a meta-rational and meta-logical context, utilizing the cortex / left-brain as a filter. If you ever read Korzibski, there echos in my head of his "cortico-thalamic pause."<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Feel free to reduce the preceding mumbo-jumbo to: its all behavior, and each behavior is grounded in the complexity of the whole organism.<br></div>
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<div>On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Dave,</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT"">Thou deniest me in my moment of need!</span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT""> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT"">Thou castest me to the wolves (eg Marcus).</span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT""> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Old English Text MT"">Why hast thou forsaken me?</span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nick</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Clark University</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West<br>Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:49 AM<br>To: friam@redfish.com<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Sorry Nick,</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">I am as hardcore Apollonian as is possible.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">And if you organize your life around pleasure, even if moderate and consistent, it is you that are the Dionysian.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">davew</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Dave,</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> I realize that you (and perhaps others of our colleagues here) are</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Dionysians, whereas I, always, have been a stalwart Apollonian. The</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> difference, for me, is the risk one is willing to take for a peak</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> experience of some sort. Some people organize their lives around</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> their vacations and holidays. I hate holidays and vacations and</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> organize my life around a steady diet of moderate pleasure. If you see what I mean.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me. </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Is that a fair statement of a difference between us? </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Nick</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> <a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> -----Original Message-----</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> From: Friam [<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>] On Behalf Of Prof David</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> West</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:05 AM</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> To: <a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">friam@redfish.com</span></a></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> MDMA risks = dehydration, in part because it is usually taken in the</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> context of frenetic physical activity like at a rave. Disinhibition</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> can pose a secondary risk because partner selection is less</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> discerning. Like too many drugs, long term effects / gender different</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> effects / age different effects, are unknown because unstudied.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> davew</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > The premise of the series is that a drug + counseling is used to</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > mitigate PTSD symptoms, but in fact it ends-up deleting recent memories</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > and was intended to make soldiers able to continue service. </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > One might argue that accumulation of emotional trauma is part of one's</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > personality, and relieving it destroys part of a person. One might</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > also argue that to have just one personality, developing on a</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > contiguous timeline, is a sort of arbitrary confinement -- like</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > living in a freezer that just keeps getting colder.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > I don't know what the actual risks are of MDMA. Alcohol's side effects,</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > in terms of impairment of judgement, are already pretty dangerous. </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > Marcus</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > On 1/1/19, 7:23 PM, "Friam on behalf of glen"</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20gepropella@gmail.com"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">friam-bounces@redfish.com on behalf of gepropella@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking why</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > psychedelics are not prescribable? Or saying that their therapeutic</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > effect is negligible?</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > FWIW, I haven't seen Homecoming.</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > On January 1, 2019 11:28:28 AM PST, Marcus Daniels</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</span></a>> wrote:</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > >Watching Homecoming I found myself thinking, "Yes, so what's</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > the big</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > >deal?"</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > >On 12/31/18, 1:40 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ <span class="font" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol", sans-serif">☣</span>"</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > ><<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20gepropella@gmail.com"><span class="colour" style="color:windowtext">friam-bounces@redfish.com on behalf of gepropella@gmail.com</span></a>></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > wrote:</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > ></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > > We're getting closer EVERY DAY!</span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > > </span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">> > > <a style="text-decoration: underline; 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