<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style><![endif]--><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Apple Color Emoji";
panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoNoSpacing, li.MsoNoSpacing, div.MsoNoSpacing
{mso-style-priority:1;
margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.size
{mso-style-name:size;}
span.colour
{mso-style-name:colour;}
span.font
{mso-style-name:font;}
span.EmailStyle23
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal">Like the air traffic control example. Need more situations in which respect of peers and a shared ethic is more important than what a manager thinks. Effectively manipulating (e.g. sucking-up) to a manager is a different skill as is
detecting when manipulation is being attempted. The very presence of a manager tends to undermine the development of a group ethic in my experience. On the other hand, some people just can’t function without a mommy or daddy around.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest@fastmail.fm><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:20 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"friam@redfish.com" <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Abduction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yeah, the vocabulary is difficult as too many terms are borrowed from old contexts and forced into service in the new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For two weeks a year, Oshkosh Wisconsin is the world's business airport (takeoffs and landings). There is no positive control like all other airports, i.e. the controllers in the tower do not
track and direct traffic. Instead, everyone communicates on an open channel, stating their location and intent. Everyone else listens and adjusts their own flying accordingly. Local, to a specific airspace, coordinators 'emerge' and temporarily offer meta-comments
on the same frequency in order to identify and resolve potential conflicts that might not be immediately noted among the pilots in that airspace. At other times volunteers in the tower offer meta- or meta-meta comments as well. In all cases, except imminent
collision or similar, communication consists only of information - no orders, commands, control.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A business wirearchy is supposed to operate in a similar fashion. Companies attempting to do this (mostly in Europe) can be found at 10,000 employee level of scale, though most are 100-700 employees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, at 7:08 AM, David West wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yeah, the vocabulary is difficult as too many terms are borrowed from old contexts and forced into service in the new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For two weeks a year, Oshkosh Wisconsin is the world's business airport (takeoffs and landings). There is no positive control like all other airports, i.e. the controllers in the tower do not
track and direct traffic. Instead, everyone communicates on an open channel, stating their location and intent. Everyone else listens and adjusts their own flying accordingly. Local, to a specific airspace, coordinators 'emerge' and temporarily offer meta-comments
on the same frequency in order to identify and resolve potential conflicts that might not be immediately noted among the pilots in that airspace. At other times volunteers in the tower offer meta- or meta-meta comments as well. In all cases, except imminent
collision or similar, communication consists only of information - no orders, commands, control.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A business wirearchy is supposed to operate in a similar fashion. Companies attempting to do this (mostly in Europe) can be found at 10,000 employee level of scale, though most are 100-700 employees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">"There has been a growing interest in business management with regard organizational structures that can be rapidly reorganized in response to change and the demand for
innovation. The term most often encountered in this regard is "wirearchy" — essentially a large dynamic network where connections (e.g. client -server, leader-follower, decision maker-decision implementer) among nodes shift and different nodes are more or
less connected vis-a-vis other nodes over time. An interesting corollary of this kind of organization is that the majority of the "system intelligence" is shifted to the edge-node mandating empowered employees."</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">client-server, leader-follower, and decision maker-decision implementer are hierarchical control words. Otherwise there can be frustration situations where different
bosses give contradictory guidance to the same employee. There cannot be insubordination in this kind of structure.
</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Marcus
</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
<hr size="0" width="92%" align="center">
</span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="size"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b></span><span class="size"><span style="color:black"> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest@fastmail.fm></span></span><span style="color:black"><br>
<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:40:42 PM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Abduction</span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="size">Nick,</span><br>
<br>
<span class="size">Before the conversation forks towards duality, a minor comment about heterarchy in a human organizational context.</span><br>
<br>
<span class="size">Hunter-gatherer tribes were organized as heterarchies: egalitarian with no formal, persistent organization. Instead organization, including leadership, ranking, and roles was situational. A structure emerged in response to environmental stimuli:
e.g. 1) a bumper crop of pinon, then A was in charge, men assumed portions of "women's work" and women organized, usually by age and agility, into teams that maximized ability to harvest; or 2) encroaching tribe bent on stealing pinon, B is in charge, men
grab their arrows and spears, women form second line of defense with younger women surrounding older ones.</span><br>
<br>
<span class="size">There has been a growing interest in business management with regard organizational structures that can be rapidly reorganized in response to change and the demand for innovation. The term most often encountered in this regard is "wirearchy"
— essentially a large dynamic network where connections (e.g. client -server, leader-follower, decision maker-decision implementer) among nodes shift and different nodes are more or less connected vis-a-vis other nodes over time. An interesting corollary of
this kind of organization is that the majority of the "system intelligence" is shifted to the edge-node mandating empowered employees.</span><br>
<br>
<span class="size">davew</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="size">On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 2:14 PM, uǝlƃ </span><span class="size"><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">☣</span></span><span class="size"> wrote:</span><br>
<span class="size">> I just gave you an example. But it's weird because nobody ever responds
</span><br>
<span class="size">> to my mentions of eyeball saccade. You also didn't respond to my scalar
</span><br>
<span class="size">> multiplied by a matrix analogy (an analogy because I was talking about
</span><br>
<span class="size">> comprehensions, which matrices are not, technically). So, rather than
</span><br>
<span class="size">> give you more examples, I'll treat you like an atheist treats
</span><br>
<span class="size">> Christians. What sort of example would make sense to you?</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> I have no idea why you used the word "duality". The ways of organizing
</span><br>
<span class="size">> things (heter- vs. hier-) would only produce a duality if the different
</span><br>
<span class="size">> ways of organizing were *functionally* equivalent. My attempt to change
</span><br>
<span class="size">> language from "level" to either "layer" or "order" is an implicit
</span><br>
<span class="size">> assertion that heterarchies are functionally *different* from
</span><br>
<span class="size">> hierarchies. (To be more specific, hierarchical systems are less
</span><br>
<span class="size">> expressive.) So, a duality might be achievable between 2 differently
</span><br>
<span class="size">> arranged heterarchies, but not between a hier- and a heter-.</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> By choosing 2 things of (we assume) the exact same type like Siamese
</span><br>
<span class="size">> twins, you provide a set that probably does not require a heterarchy to
</span><br>
<span class="size">> organize. Fraternal twins would be a better choice because while they
</span><br>
<span class="size">> are both of the same kinship, their *genes* differ significantly. Genes
</span><br>
<span class="size">> are of a lower/quicker order than kinship. But typical understanding of
</span><br>
<span class="size">> kinship operates over BOTH the high level (who's your daddy) and low
</span><br>
<span class="size">> level (what color eyes does your daddy have). While you *can* construct
</span><br>
<span class="size">> a hierarchy to handle that situation. There may be some situations
</span><br>
<span class="size">> (e.g. recessive genes, step-parents, etc.) that the hierarchy can't
</span><br>
<span class="size">> express but the heterarchy can.</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> Note that "order" doesn't technically require heterarchy, either,
</span><br>
<span class="size">> really. Technically, an ordering like we have in 1st to 2nd order logic
</span><br>
<span class="size">> is still a hierarchy, just with mixed operators. You'd only *need* a
</span><br>
<span class="size">> heterarchy when there are external (to a given hierarchy) objects/</span><br>
<span class="size">> relations that need to be accounted for. But I suggest the social
</span><br>
<span class="size">> kinship, biological kinship, and genotype system does approach that
</span><br>
<span class="size">> need, where even if you can formulate the social as a hierarchy and the
</span><br>
<span class="size">> biological as a hierarchy, the mixing of the two different hierarchies
</span><br>
<span class="size">> requires a heterarchy.</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> I hope this is not a conversation stopper. That's not my intent. But
</span><br>
<span class="size">> based on my failures, here, I'm clearly very bad at this.</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> On 1/3/19 12:38 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:</span><br>
<span class="size">> > Ok. Good. I like this. Stick with me here. </span><br>
<span class="size">> > </span><br>
<span class="size">> > </span><br>
<span class="size">> > </span><br>
<span class="size">> > Keeping your language as citizen-y as possible, please talk to me about "heterarchy". Being of great age, I learned the song, I'm my own GrandPa <<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw</a>>
in my youth. I assume that’s an example of heterarchy. But I bet you have better examples. But perhaps even more important, where does the concept stand in your approach to things? I stipulate that every duality asserted is like Siamese twins separated.
A lot of blood is inevitably spilled. But no thought can possibly be achieved without that sort of blood-letting. I think I am going to argue that to the extent that the idea of heterarchy might give one a better way to separate the babies it should be entertained;
but if it is a way of stopping the conversation how best the babies might be separated, then it should not.
</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> -- </span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><span class="size"><span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">☣</span></span><span class="size"> uǝlƃ</span><br>
<span class="size">> </span><br>
<span class="size">> ============================================================</span><br>
<span class="size">> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv</span><br>
<span class="size">> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College</span><br>
<span class="size">> to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">
http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a></span><br>
<span class="size">> archives back to 2003: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a></span><br>
<span class="size">> FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> by Dr. Strangelove</span><br>
<br>
<span class="size">============================================================</span><br>
<span class="size">FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv</span><br>
<span class="size">Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College</span><br>
<span class="size">to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">
http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a></span><br>
<span class="size">archives back to 2003: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a></span><br>
<span class="size">FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> by Dr. Strangelove</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">============================================================<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">to unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">
http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">archives back to 2003: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> by Dr. Strangelove<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>