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<body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Nick,<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Silly me, but I have to ask — are you sure?<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Why I ask: Culture (environment) is altered by actions (fads?) of individual members and in turn alter the likelihood of adoption/mimicry of the fad by other members of the culture. Direct bi-lateral communication/copying of a behavior cannot account for 'global' change.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Example: one woman makes a clay pot. Neighbor might take note and make one as well. But one-to-one propagation is insufficient to account for entire villages and regions suddenly transforming into pot making cultures.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">I know that you are speaking biologically and I am speaking anthropologically - but I think there are parallels that should not be excluded out of hand. Because I am ignorant in such matters I will not point out that epigenetics might be a camel's nose in the tent.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">I have posted two comments about heterarchy as I have encountered it in my professional work. Absent some disambiguation of "struggles" not sure how to contribute further.<br></div>
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<div>On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Dave,</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">In the natural design perspectives, clothing styles are examples of “fads”, structures or behaviors that are matched to the preferences of fellow species members, not to the environment of the species. The display structures in courtship are examples of such “fads.” </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Off to FRIAM. Hoping to see you there, even tho I know that hope is forlorn. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Still struggling with heterarchy. What think you on that, Dave?</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nick . </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Clark University</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193)">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2019 6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Pondering...shoes and sweats of all things</span></span></span></span></p></div>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">Nick's work on Natural Design would be an obvious possibility. Less in the paper he recently shared to the list than in the rest of the work (five papers I think). Some evil genius has coopted his ideas and learned to manipulate them.</span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:</span></span><br></p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Is this an experiment to see if we can identify some philosophical topic latent in the topic of casual clothing? How cycles of fashion can be compressed using a memory-less optimized quantum time evolution? Trying to find something to be opinionated about here. Failing.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div style="border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif">From: </span></span></b></span><span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif">Friam <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Gillian Densmore <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><br><span><b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span><b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 5:03 PM</span><br><span><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br><span><b>Subject: </b>[FRIAM] Pondering...shoes and sweats of all things</span></span></span></span></span></p></div>
<div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
<div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">I am seriously curiuse how it is that Puma can make pretty good regular seekers...for a bit cheeper than Nike.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">And who ever created the sweat pant. Was genius! comfortable can look great. and doesn't blow up ones budget.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
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