<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">One consequence of the present situation that will have long term consequences is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high, universities are having trouble attracting high quality graduate students, the next generation of educators. Although this situation has little to do with trumpism, there have been serious consequences of foreign students and researchers being denied visas. As the universities in other countries such as China and Singapore continue to improve, the future does not look good for technology education here.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ed<br class=""><div class="">
<div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">____________</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><div class="">Ed Angel<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)<br class="">Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico<br class=""><br class="">1017 Sierra Pinon</div><div class="">Santa Fe, NM 87501<br class="">505-984-0136 (home)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="mailto:angel@cs.unm.edu" class="">angel@cs.unm.edu</a></div><div class="">505-453-4944 (cell) <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><a href="http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel" class="">http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel</a><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span></div></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 11, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jacqueline Kazil <<a href="mailto:jackiekazil@gmail.com" class="">jackiekazil@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">The numbers for tech jobs are all over the place. The one that I have heard most is 1.5 million, but I have also seen everywhere from 500k to 3 million. </div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Most of the theories of why this is not because of Trump, but because of issues with education.</div><div class=""><br class="">There are not enough people in education teaching people technology, because people can easily go and get 1.5x to 3x their salary in the private sector. For example -- Uber gutting Carnegie Melon's Researchers: <a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached" class="">https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2015/5/19/8622831/uber-self-driving-cars-carnegie-mellon-poached</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I sit on the board of the Python Software Foundation. I am putting together an RFP with others to fund educational initiatives in Python. It will be coming out later this month or next month. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Jackie</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">P.S. Side note about education and python... In Guido's (creator of Python) proposal to Darpa to fund the development of Python for educational purposes, he references Logo as a great tool, but limited. That was 2001. The same year that Netlogo was created (if I have my years right). </div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:47 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <<a href="mailto:alfredo@covaleda.co" class="">alfredo@covaleda.co</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8" target="_blank" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8</a><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank" class="">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="gmail-m_3499612266498958102gmail-m_546781888053694898WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Sorry, everybody. Ugh!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">What I meant to write was, <b class=""><i class="">“At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”.</i></b> You have no idea how envious I am of you all. Can you IMAGINE the joy I would feel if I learned that there were a million jobs unfilled for cranky former psychology professors who can’t write a ten-word email message without screwing it up! <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">That would be glorious. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Nick <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Nicholas S. Thompson<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="">Clark University<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""> Friam [mailto:<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Gary Schiltz<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:11 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] A million tech jobs unfilled<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Maybe there will even be a place for techie old farts to work from Ecuador.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net" target="_blank" class="">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Friammers, <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job? Or, at least, to ask for a job?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa Fe where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are never more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail? <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Just sayin’<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">N<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas S. 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