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<body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Nick,<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">The definition of persuade begins with
"cause (someone) ..." which implies some degree or 'change' e.g. from a
current mindset/belief to a modification of same. Within "groups" you
might find persuasion, but across "groups" there is none;, "confirmation
bias" and all that.<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div>
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<div>On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Geez, Dave. I might have put it the other way. People are persuasive as hell; they just aren’t communicating. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">But I haven’t been following the thread. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Get back here! It’s Friday and we need you.</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nick</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Nicholas S. Thompson</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Clark University</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><a style="text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193)">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> Friam [mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2019 7:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction</span></span></span></span></p></div>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"> </span></span><br></p><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">"Persuasive" is a term the reviewer used, Adams restricts his analysis to "communication." The two terms are worlds apart. I would claim that no one in politics is persuasive, and given the polarity that exists in political discourse, it is impossible for anyone to be persuasive.</span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", sans-serif">davew</span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:</span></span><br></p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">< </span></span></span><span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">As to the ethics dimension; you quoted one of Adam's reviewers: <i>"But, when I was in school, we always discussed ethical responsibility of the persuader and Adams does not. As long as Trump was persuasive he was going to win and that’s what matters."</i></span></span></span></span><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> ></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">He’s not persuasive. His arguments are ridiculous and appeal to the stupid and ignorant. See Alfredo’s post. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Times New Roman", serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><span><span class="font" style="font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Marcus</span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
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