<div dir="ltr">I thought about what you said some Steve. My experience so far. Is that sometime after I consously started to go for a more balanced diet (for example) a ton of other things started to get improve a little: not as moody (that I can tell) and simillar to yours so far just better focus.<div><br></div><div>It's amazing how good for you cardio is from the linked studies! I one of them sugested it grows the hypocampus somehow, and another suggested (trying to) go for a flow state somehow repairs brain damages. That's amazing! I have no idea that works because the medical terminology started to go over my head alas, something to to with CY enzimes (they think) and or possibly triggering NeuronGrowthFactors... if I understood the articles correctly that's more true for people with injuries, elderly, and amazingly mental health conditions. I</div><div><br></div><div>For what it's worth, Steve about your salt cravings. I still have some suger cravings now...just not nearly as much as last year. I think Glen said something about not eating much before cardio cleans out the liver, I wonder if that's part of why?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:28 PM Steven A Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Gil -</p>
<p>My most relevant experience is having gone through 2 different
periods of following a Ketogenic dietary regimen... once roughly 3
months and the other roughly 6. My motives were varied, but
included trying to experience a *different* metabolic state than
the one I've become comfortable with in my advanced and overly
sedentary years (last 5-10).</p>
<blockquote><a class="gmail-m_845069987171843811moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis</a><br>
<a class="gmail-m_845069987171843811moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://paleoleap.com/paleo-guide-to-ketosis/" target="_blank">https://paleoleap.com/paleo-guide-to-ketosis/</a><br>
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<p>I'm not referring it to you for any reason in particular than my
own experience with the significantly different subjective
experience I had with food WHILE in ketosis.</p>
<p>It is a bit of a commitment... it took me roughly 1 week of
modest discomfort to get into ketosis and a single carb-binge ( a
day or more) can kick you back out, requiring another (nearly as
long) period of transition. I went through one full-reset the
first time because I misunderstood that "buttermilk" carried as
much lactose (a sugar) as regular milk (whole or low-fat
notwithstanding). It also means narrowing the spectrum of
familiar foods quite a bit. No carbs means no sugar, fruit,
starchy vegetables, grains, legumes, milk, etc. but does admit
(promote) fatty foods like cheese, lean and fatty meats, eggs,
oil/butter. As a mostly vegetarian, that meant my standby easy
go-to meals were omelettes and Cobb salads (often without meat)
with at least one, often two avocados per day (in the
omelette/salad or on the side).<br>
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<p>The ketogenic metabolism also consumes extra electrolytes as the
liver actually *produces* water as it converts fats into ketones.
This is good news for anyone struggling to reduce sodium levels.
The avocados provided an easy way to get both high-fat and
potassium salts and a taste/texture treat. Extra
water-consumption is suggested, at least during the transition
into ketogenesis to help flush the various toxins that come with
the shift. I did my two periods over the summer each time, and
it has become my practice to drink at least two liters of water a
day laced with electrolytes (potassium/magnesium salts) and
apple-cider vinegar) as a "gatorade" replacement in the warm
seasons. I used to crave salt terribly... this undermines my
salt-cravings entirely. I find it incredibly satisfying,
especially while in ketogenesis.<br>
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<p>Ketogenesis is prescribed for a wide range of things from kicking
off weight loss with (sometimes) lasting metabolic differences
(i.e. Atkins, etc.) to some forms of brain dysfunction (epilepsy,
alzheimers), to athletic performance (endurance and strength,
though not muscle-building). I was lead to it by my daughter and
her partner who are both performance athletes and
paleo-nutritionists. I found that while in ketogenesis, my
endurance for physical activity increased (after the first week of
low-energy, etc. during transition) and my hunger was very
level... I *never* had any strong desire (other than habitual) to
gobble down a donut or pizza or a burrito. When I followed the
"intermittent fasting" ideal (restricting food consumption to 4-6
hours a day), eating became much more of an abstraction and/or
entirely instinctual process. I *enjoyed* my meals, but did not
crave them or find myself checking the clock... if anything I'd
realize that I had entered my "eating window" (nominally 2=6 pm
for me) without realizing it. The idea behind the intermittent
fasting (which can include missing an entire eating cycle) is to
keep the liver working hard at converting body-fat to ketones. <br>
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<p>I would also claim that I felt more mental focus (once past that
first week). This is one of the reasons my daughter and partner
seek ketogenesis, they feel that when they are eating carbs, they
often experience a brain-fog. My own experience is not as
stark, but I feel that self-analysis of mental states is VERY
subjective. In general my transition into/out of ketogenesis was
much less dramatic than is often reported. The "keto flu" going
in has been reported lasting up to 2 weeks and returning to carbs
is often reported to generate "bloating", "brain fog", etc. My
experiences of the transitions were very mild compared to those
reported by others.</p>
<p>I don't know if this helps you think about your own metabolic
responses to various foods and exercise experiences, but I find
that kind of introspection/self-experimentation fascinating.</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_845069987171843811moz-cite-prefix">On 1/10/19 10:07 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote:<br>
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<pre class="gmail-m_845069987171843811moz-quote-pre">From what I've experienced of fasting (more than 36 hours ... not just skipping a meal now and then), I've gotten an energy *boost* from it. I do crash harder after I finally do eat, though. Some of the pop-sci literature also suggests we might enter something like a starvation state if we exhaust the glucogen stores in the liver. And if you exercise before eating, then you're supposedly getting that glucose sugar from your liver.
Most of the actual science literature is still too far removed from day to day living to be very meaningful, in my opinion. Although I just noticed Marcus' list and haven't followed those links, yet.
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Recently I decided to take my health way more earnestly and are genuinly
curius about something if anyone has some ideas:
What is it about cardio after a certain amount that makes it energizing?
For example Monday after I wanted to see how long I could do a stationary
bike. I felt pretty hyper. I didn't have anything other than 2 cups of
coffee before then.
I have also found I don't particularly crave cookies, and to some degree
don't crave coke nearly as much.
Lastly: Man, something about fruit juice recently just..really hits the
spot.
Just curious..
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