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<p>I think it would be more appropriate to apply a fuzzy set
membership, though probability works as well. The semantics are
different even if the maths are the same. <br>
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<p>S<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/19 3:22 PM, Nick Thompson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
like the taxonomy. What do you suppose would be the
chi-squared probability of your occupying the various cells.
For me, I find that I avoid playing “Expert” in the topic
of “evolution of communication” because the expectations are
high and I always disappoint them. Best to play Expert when
the topic is something I know nothing about. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Clark
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Friam [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Steven A Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I appreciate the introduction of "roles" and "topics" and
"attractors" here. I would say that *I* experience all
three slightly differently:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Roles: This subdivides into (roughly?) 3
modes<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Roles I was born/raised into... Son, brother,
classmate, boyfriend, husband, father. These were handed
to me by the culture I "became me" in. I may have been
mildly more self-aware and some might say cynical in my
living/experiencing/elaborating these roles.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Roles I adopted more consciously... Friend,
Student, Employee/Subordinate, Researcher, Technologist,
Businessman, etc. These roles are modeled after the ones I
saw, but I believe my engagement with them exceeded some
threshold of self-awareness to become self-intention. Each
of these roles might have supspecie.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Roles such as I think Glen refers to, roles
adopted in a very transient mode... understanding I'm doing
so for a specific purpose in a specific context for
(nominally) a very limited time.... fellow traveler, cynic,
seducer, authoritarian, submissive, pleader, demander,
ranter, raver, etc...<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p>Topics: I believe these are orthogonal to Roles and I can
approach any topic from the point of view of one of the roles,
or perhaps vice-versa. Topics generally subdivide as follows
for me:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">Personal. Things that have an immediate and
*personal* meaning to me. These are mostly about
self-image, psychological and emotional states, physical
states, immediate intimate relations, etc.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">Public. These things tend to fall into the
arena of (possibly well informed) opinions such as politics,
religion, aesthetic preferences, etc.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">Technical. These things generally fall in to
the categories of Science or Technology... things which can
be studied and much derived from "first principles". These
things (in principle) can be tested in something like an
objective mode. The "soft sciences" are getting "harder"
all the time as they take on more mathematical rigor, as we
live and study them longer we have more formal models for
them, as we discover/develop new measurement technologies
which were presumed to be out of reach in the past (e.g.
fMRI, crypto, big-data analysis, etc.)<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p>Attractors: I take these to be the psychosocial context in
which I discover these roles (and role-topic pairs?) and my
relation to them. The larger culture is where these
attractors (in particular the born/raised roles (1)) exist.
Type 2 Roles are usually more context specific, based in some
subculture experience and therefore the attractors are more
dependent on the sub-context. Type 3 Roles seem to have the
most restrictive attractors, depending more on my own
psychosocial context than perhaps the others, or maybe more to
the point, those contexts are more idiosyncratic to me. They
are more likely to be adopted transiently and therefore have
less investment and equally I feel the "attractors" are more
sweeping... there is a lot more "acting as if" or "fake it til
you make it" for me in this domain. I might enter a
conversation for example, not intending to be a cynic, but
quickly find myself drawn into it by my conversant's adopting
a Pollyanna role, for example. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/15/19 12:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Marcus, <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Would you be happier if we called them "attractors". Surely you, stalwart<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>individualist that you are, would agree that there is something out there<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>that "attracts you" to certain lines of behavior in social situations? <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Or perhaps not? <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Nick <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Nicholas S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Clark University<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<pre>From: Friam [<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:27 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><friam@redfish.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Few of you ...<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Glen writes:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>< It's truly a breath of fresh air when I run across someone else who is<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>willing to swap roles several times through a single conversation. ><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Why do there have to be roles and not just topics?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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