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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Thanks, Glen, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>This is really good. I am going to repost it, in case I was not the only one omitted in the feed:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Dave West wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><i><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></i></b><![endif]><b><i>a secondary definition of casuistry is "resolving moral problems by application of theoretical rules." NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>Dave: this is interesting. Can you give me any idea of what a “theoretical” rule is? </b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>2. A Jesuit practice, "reform of the individual," seems to incorporate a sense (not definition) of "individual" consistent with Duns Scotus' concept of haecciety and, because Peirce used that term in his work, to explain what he meant by the individual, there seems to be a thread to medieval Catholicism. NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>Peirce’s attachment to Scotus is legendary, so this is indeed interesting. </b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>3. Jesuit values, e.g. "Respect For The World, Its History And Mystery" and especially, Learning From Experience lead to philosophical thought that is not contradictory to Peircian notions of experience. NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>Dave, how do you KNOW this stuff, and why have you hidden it from me before. Is this from your time at </b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>4. But, Jesuits are dualists, not in the objective world / experience of it sense (there they seem to be quite close to Peirce) but in the sense that TRUTH can come, not just from experience (and science) but from revelation - the direct word of God. NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>So, whose experience are we talking about here: mine, yours, or OURS. And what do we do when experience contradicts the WOG. And is revelation a kind of experience?</b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>5. Jesuits, among many others (Galileo), often found themselves at odds with the Church over the issue of whether or not a thing could be true in philosophy but not in theology, or vice versa. The Jesuits focused on truth in philosophy and their method for identifying that truth would, again, not be incompatible with Peirce. So only point four would be contrary to Peirce's ideas. NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>Again, I would love for you to say more, but that seems a lot to ask. Is there a Jesuit philosophy for Idiots, anywhere? </b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i>6. No intellectual lineage is evident from any Jesuit philosopher and Charles Sanders. NST</i></b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>è</span>Well, a quick, lazy-man’s Google suggests that you are right! But wouldn’t that be extraordinary? Vaaaary EENteresting, David. Vaaaaary EENteresting. </b><b><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>ç</span>nst<i><o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>davew<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nicholas S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: glen [mailto:gepropella@gmail.com] <br>Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:36 PM<br>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>; Nick Thompson <nickthompson@earthlink.net>; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] abduction and casuistry</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>How about a link to his archived message?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2019-August/080050.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2019-August/080050.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On August 24, 2019 12:21:13 PM PDT, Nick Thompson <<a href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>nickthompson@earthlink.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>Oh, by the way, I DID miss Dave's contribution. Every once a while, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>just to keep me nimble, the FRIAM server doesn't send me something, so<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>this may be a case of that. Can you forward it to me? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>glen<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>