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<p class="MsoNormal">One application distributed ledger systems have for currency is precisely as mechanism to bypass regulation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A common reason for the bypass is crime. Another reason is as an organizational tool against those in power who abuse it. It doesn’t take a lot of imagination these days to see that the distinction can be a matter of definition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve been watching the Netflix series Better than Us which is a Russian Sci-fi series in the spirit of Westworld. I think it is great that Netflix funds a variety of internationally-produced series. And I think it is cool that someone
in Argentina has hacked my Netflix account. I have stumbled across new content that way! It is more interesting than the jerk in Texas that called me twice today to tell me my social security number had been compromised.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Elizabeth Cates <elizabethjcates@gmail.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Thx for the traffic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been working hard to finally take a vacation. Too much focus on how to regulate bitcoin and I am exhausted.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, first stop St Petersburg! And when I finally got a moment to check on what was percolating, there was nothing. I was frankly alarmed at the lack of traffic. We need more caffeine -- coffee, tea, or chocolate to fuel our thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 1:59 PM Steven A Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave -<br>
<br>
I had noticed a slowdown a while back, but being on the road for 3 weeks<br>
myself, I haven't contributed or really noticed the grinding halt until<br>
now as you call it out. By coincidence I had dinner and beers with Glen<br>
along the way, and I'm pretty sure he has brought Hoffman's work up here<br>
a few times?<br>
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I met Hoffman in 2005 where he gave his spiel to a fairly small crowd of<br>
(mostly) English Majors at the Anneberg School at USC. I was<br>
participating in a workshop with (mostly) Journalists trying to make<br>
sense of how to use new media to try to explicate the previously<br>
inexpicable. It was an eclectic and (mostly) young and robust crowd of<br>
very bright people thinking deep and wide about social issues all the<br>
way down to "what it means to be human". I was trying to bring my own<br>
take on what a tree-map (our own variant known as a bubble-tree)<br>
extruded in 3D to try to apprehend the news cycle/milieu in it's whole.<br>
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Hoffman made a good effort to explain his concept with the sophisticated<br>
but not particularly natural-science or hard-philosophy centered<br>
crowd. He swayed me for the most part, but I had to remind myself that<br>
even though I *beleive* in a heliocentric world-view I still *apprehend*<br>
the sun and moon (and less obvoiusly) the stars rising in the east and<br>
setting in the west, more better (superficially) fitting an<br>
earth-centric model. So while I think Hoffman might be dead on, I<br>
still hold a bit of "so what?" and "what does it help me do?". I'd be<br>
interested if you have your own take on this? Ignoring whether you<br>
believe him to be technically/philosophically "correct", can you say<br>
what you think might be "of use" to take away from it?<br>
<br>
I will admit that my question implies some kind of incrementalism...<br>
that the "use" might only become evident through a radical<br>
acceptance/adoption of his (non?) world-view, not through my relatively<br>
"thin" intellectual acknowledgement (thinner by quite a bit than my<br>
acceptance of heliocentricity BTW).<br>
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On 9/12/19 12:41 AM, Prof David West wrote:<br>
> Hello All,<br>
><br>
> Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my reception point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not in spam filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not making it across the Atlantic.?<br>
><br>
> Observation: an interesting coincidence arising from reading a new book, The Case Against Reality, How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science at UC Irvine. Main thesis is that what we perceive is but a
constructed, via evolution, "interface" and not a veridical perception of "Reality."
<br>
><br>
> Not a new idea but the evolution / survival / fittest being the ones that see the optimal interface instead of what is behind the interface is interesting.<br>
><br>
> Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading Heidegger and Gadamer, and even some Peirce, and seeing apparent parallels between "interface,: "interpretation," and "experience." Feels like a lot of Nick's Monism convictions might be illuminated by looking
at these works in juxtaposition.<br>
><br>
> dave west<br>
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