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<p>Touche' APF-O standin McGuerin! <br>
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<p>I know that ole Doc Strangelove has been very quiet for some
time. <br>
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<p>Your Symposiarch would seem to be a good stand in for a D&D
master and the threads on this list not unlike Zingale's
aforementioned D&D campaigns.</p>
<p>I do sense burps in the list myself (usually as a response to a
quote of a post I haven't seen). Sometimes posts come in
(mildly) out of order. With the archives at fingertip I never
worry much about it, and to the extent FriAM is much more sport
than anything I don't worry much anyway! I get the distinct
impression that others experience a different sieve than I do, but
perhaps not a much more ambitious one.</p>
<p>I would accuse Nick of being the Maxwell Demon (more
appropriately Daemon?) based on the description as trying to
extract intellectual work. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/19 12:25 PM, Stephen Guerin
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<div dir="ltr">As we speak, Dr. Strangelove may be painting the
image of the Symposiarch (<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium#Drinking"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium#Drinking</a>)
regulating the flow. Or a kind of immanent
Maxwellian Demon actively operating the email gate so that
intellectual work can be extracted. Or as we're running on <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_(software)"
moz-do-not-send="true">Majordomo listserv</a> I think the
acequia metaphor is best -- An all powerful Majordomo
organizing annual <a
href="http://bloodhound.tripod.com/aceqglos.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">fatiga parties</a> to remove the
neo-darwinist logic clogging up the <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acequia"
moz-do-not-send="true">acequia</a> ;-p<br>
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<div>Alas, we might employ <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor"
moz-do-not-send="true">Hanlon's Razor</a> to explain your
lack of observed traffic. It may be a failing FRIAM listserv
running on the back of a discount weary server we've been
riding for 17+ plus years. Before switching mid stream, I'd
ask Glen, Russell, Owen, Marcus, Josh, Frank and Gary to look
at their email client history and see if there's missing
emails since August when compared to the <a
href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"
moz-do-not-send="true">archives listed in the FRIAM
signature</a>. If there's a significant discrepancy, we can
start tracking down the cause.
Email delivery has many other places in the chain that can
fail. If it's the server we can start looking for
alternatives. FWIW, I haven't seen a disruption on my gmail
client. </div>
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<div>Somewhat related: if folks post with an email that they
didn't subscribe with, it automatically gets rejected. The
listserv gets hit with 100's of spam addresses a day that
aren't in the subscriber list. I stopped manually monitoring
the rejection list 10 years ago. Many of you have given me
alternative email addresses to put on the whitelist so you can
post from different accounts. Email me offline if you want to
add one.</div>
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<div>- IAmWhoAm (AKA APF-O)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:45
AM Nick Thompson <<a
href="mailto:nickthompson@earthlink.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">nickthompson@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Frank,
Dave, </span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Well
I AM tied up with relocation issues, so haven’t been
paying close attention, but …</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
just did a search in my inbox and there is nothing
from FRIAM from 24 August on. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
have always understood that the Friam-Owner. is like
the wine pourer at a classical “symposium”, more or
less watering the wine to maintain the flow and
quality of the conversation. He won’t admit to it
of course, but every once in a while He “shuts me
off” from friam when He thinks I have become too …
agitated? I assume He is also gently modulating
your contributions in the same way, as a beneficent
god should. I don’t know how He gets the time to do
it, but nothing else could possibly explain the fact
that sometimes our emails just go missing for a
while. So, I didn’t get alarmed when I stopped
receiving FRIAM correspondence in late August. I
just assumed that the All Powerful Friam-Owner was
giving me a rest. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank
you APF-O. We love you and worship you. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Nick
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ps.
Let me know if you don’t get this message. (};-\)</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Nicholas
S. Thompson</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Clark
University</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a></span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Friam [mailto:<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] query and observation</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Friam list remains as you
can see but is sort of a trickle. I posted a
couple of items about the Cooper/Colbert interview
and something I can't remember but they weren't up
to the high intellectual standard which engages
you, Glen, Marcus, Nick, et al. Glen did comment
insightfully. Nick will be back in Santa Fe soon;
maybe the change in location will stimulate him.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Frank</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-----------------------------------<br>
Frank Wimberly<br>
<br>
My memoir:<br>
<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br>
<br>
My scientific publications:<br>
<a
href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br>
<br>
Phone (505) 670-9918</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 AM
Prof David West <<a
href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello All,<br>
<br>
Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to
a halt, from my reception point in Amsterdam -
i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not in
spam filter, so question is has the list trickled
to a stop or just not making it across the
Atlantic.?<br>
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Observation: an interesting coincidence arising
from reading a new book, The Case Against Reality,
How evolution hid the truth from our eyes, by
Donald D. Hoffman, professor of cognitive science
at UC Irvine. Main thesis is that what we perceive
is but a constructed, via evolution, "interface"
and not a veridical perception of "Reality." <br>
<br>
Not a new idea but the evolution / survival /
fittest being the ones that see the optimal
interface instead of what is behind the interface
is interesting.<br>
<br>
Coincidence comes from simultaneously rereading
Heidegger and Gadamer, and even some Peirce, and
seeing apparent parallels between "interface,:
"interpretation," and "experience." Feels like a
lot of Nick's Monism convictions might be
illuminated by looking at these works in
juxtaposition.<br>
<br>
dave west<br>
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