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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/17/19 10:01 AM, Nick Thompson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Steve,
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Apparently
the modern definition of apocryphal is “widely circulated
though probably untrue” . Nothing that we have said about
Hywel (so far) is untrue. We need a word for “widely
circulated and true”. Notorious? </span></p>
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<p>My working definition of "apocryphal" is that such stories carry
a kind of transcendent Truth, independent of the literal and
specific truths. I didn't intend to impugne Hywel's reputation
in any way, but rather to acknowledge the reverence held in "the
Mother Church". I suspect that some day there will be a similar
reverence held for other regular posters here... perhaps in some
circles that reverence is already being circulated... <br>
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<p>I would also claim, appealing to the etymology you included, that
references to Hywel are are often vague in the sense that the
teller of the story seems to really claim to understand Hywel's
pronouncements, that they were all somehow "beyond the ken of
common man"?<br>
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<p>Speaking of "the Mother Church", my partner's son treated us to
a an evening with "Joe Bob Briggs", explaining to the Austin Film
Society "how Rednecks Saved Hollywood". All other nonsense
aside, he gave a credible history of Rednecks, starting with the
Scots-Irish from the Cumberland region of northern England (as
well as the eastern tip of northern Ireland), and the Cumberland
Presbyterians. My own hillbilly relatives (radiating from my
parents who moved west in 1949) from KY pay homage to that
heritage in spite of most all of the geneology offered to me named
German, Polish and northern Scots immigration. What struck me
most strongly in Briggs' story was the story that Cumberland
Presbyterians did not have "churches", they had "meeting houses"
in a similar fashion to the Quakers, not believing that any man
held a higher station or was more able to talk to God than any
other (I don't know how that translates to women?). <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
you know, I love etymology. Here from etymology on line: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:24.0pt">apocrypha (n.)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">late
14c., Apocrifa, in reference to the apocryphal books of the
Bible, from Late Latin apocrypha (scripta), from neuter plural
of apocryphus "secret, not approved for public reading," from
Greek apokryphos "hidden; obscure, hard to understand," thus
"(books) of unknown authorship" (especially those included in
the Septuagint and Vulgate but not originally written in
Hebrew and not counted as genuine by the Jews), from apo "off,
away" (see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/apo-?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">apo-</a>) + kryptein "to hide" (see <a
href="https://www.etymonline.com/word/crypt?ref=etymonline_crossreference"
moz-do-not-send="true">crypt</a>). <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Non-Biblical
sense "writing of doubtful authorship or authenticity" is from
1735. Properly plural (the single would be Apocryphon or
apocryphum), but commonly treated as a collective singular.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Nicholas
S. Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Emeritus
Professor of Psychology and Biology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Clark
University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
href="http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Friam [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Steven A Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 17, 2019 8:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I never met Hywel myself, but the stories of him are always
apocryphal... someday I expect all of the stories referencing
Mulla Nasruden to reappear with Hywel as the central
character.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/17/19 8:40 AM, Frank Wimberly
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hywel was an experimental particle
physicist and a regular Friam attendee. He had been a
professor at Penn and Cornell and a group leader at Los
Alamos. Once he said to me, "the number one does not
exist". He meant that there is nothing that is
precisely one centimeter long, for example. I asked
him, "How many biological mothers did you have?" I
don't have enough time to repeat his answer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Frank <o:p></o:p></p>
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Frank Wimberly<br>
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My memoir:<br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br>
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My scientific publications:<br>
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Phone (505) 670-9918<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 8:31 AM Frank
Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yes,
I meant to say including the types type.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Frank Wimberly<br>
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My memoir:<br>
<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly</a><br>
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My scientific publications:<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2</a><br>
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Phone (505) 670-9918<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 8:02 AM
glen<span style="font-family:"Cambria
Math",serif">∈ℂ</span> <<a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't know this Hywel person.
But number of things of a type is different from
number of types of thing. 8^) Unless types of a
thing are also things of a type. Channeling a
modern teenager: That's so meta, dude.<br>
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On 11/17/19 6:55 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
> Channeling Hywel, I hope accurately: There is
no irrational number of<br>
> things of any type in the Universe<br>
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