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< But we all need to beware of Environment Derangement Syndrome, a state of mind in which we do nothing because its all so overwhelming. ></div>
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There's also the adapt (or leave) option. </div>
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<a href="https://www.wired.com/story/ideas-jason-pontin-genetic-engineering-for-mars/" id="LPNoLP132810">https://www.wired.com/story/ideas-jason-pontin-genetic-engineering-for-mars/</a><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:42 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Hi Merle, </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">FWIW, not a philosopher; a psychologist ethologist. And also an organic gardener, by the way, who began his career as such by reading Louis Bromfield. So, Yes, lets worry about soil life, too!</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">The manner in which Merle snipped my note blunted its main point. The Holocene roughly the last 12,000 years? is marked by a dramatic decrease in year-to-year climate variability which brought the Pleistocene to an end. This made
sedentary human life possible and civilization as we know it, with its high concentrations of human activity and stunning population increases. So far as I know, we dont know what factors precipitated the Holocene, so we dont know what factors might terminate
it. In short, the peaceful climate regimen in which we live and on which we depend is a bloody miracle. This is what drives me nuts about the Gaia Hypothesis. Sure, think of the biosphere as an organism, but dont think of it as an organism that EVER had
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">But we all need to beware of Environment Derangement Syndrome, a state of mind in which we do nothing because its all so overwhelming. What we all agree on, is that we cannot take things as they are for granted. You work on your insects,
Merle can work on Global Warming, and I can sweat climate variability, and perhaps, if we all push really hard, we might, just MIGHT, just POSSIBLY, get another 12,000 years.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle</p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lars Larsson</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:perslars@hotmail.com">perslars@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 6:10 AM<br>
Subject: Sv: Question from Merle<br>
To: Merle Lefkoff <<a href="mailto:merlelefkoff@gmail.com">merlelefkoff@gmail.com</a>></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black; background:white">So it means that we need a rotation program (3-5 year) and this different plant must stand the climate change.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black; background:white">catastrophic. The insect are more or less extinct. In this clean country?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The entomologists told me the they have warn the government years ago. The problem is the management of the forests and the pesticides from the farming.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">This is two sensitive areas for the government so they did not listen. If the scientist was to
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">And it is still the same situation.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">So in my topsoil improvement program I involve the insects and now it is emergency. We have 2-3 years to help them to survival. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">If the insects will be extinct the climate doesn't matter we can't survival. It takes millions of years to repair. Climate can be adjusted i 100 year if we want.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Frn:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Merle Lefkoff <<a href="mailto:merlelefkoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">merlelefkoff@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>Till:</b> Lars Larsson <<a href="mailto:perslars@hotmail.com" target="_blank">perslars@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>mne:</b> Question from Merle</span> </p>
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</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black"> climate alters, the bands of climate supporting these two crops will </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:black"><br>
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